V1 ($450) is relatively new to the table. He bought in for the full $400 and is up a bit but I havent noticed anything specific. My initial impression is he is probably too loose pre, but Ive got nothing on postflop.

V2 ($700) is playing pretty laggy and is visibly drunk. He is loose pre and has shown down 3 bluffs in 3 hours, and probably gotten away with a few more.

Hero ($650) Im running pretty well tonight, so I should have a solid image.

1/2 NL. V1 raises to $12 UTG. V2 calls from the BTN. Hero 3! to $55 with K:Ks: V1 cuts out the call, rechecks his cards, thinks for about 20 seconds, then slides out the call. V2 calls.

flop($160) 8:7:5:

Hero bets $55. V1 thinks for about 30 seconds and jams for $395. V2 tanks for a couple minutes, pulls out a coin, flips it, it lands heads, and folds. Hero?

I did not expect 2 calls, and am really not sure how to range them on this middling coordinated board.

Pre is good size. I dislike the flop cbet size. This size is preferable when you hit a flop that smashes your range and doesn't hit V's range too well. This is the opposite type of board so I prefer a larger bet and doing it less often on this texture (unless you're betting small to induce a spaz and have reason to do so). Especially into two players and one of them is a lag I just check the flop. It's so easy for someone to shove on you with decent equity and make you fold.

Preflop is good.

What's the reasoning behind flop sizing? I'm either checking here or betting big ($125-ish) to set up a credible turn jam.

AP, idk. I hate piling in 100BB in with an overpair readless, but we might have to do it here.

Against a range of 88,77,55,AA,QQ,JJ,TT,AdKd we have 53% and we only need 35.7% to break even. Without TT/JJ in his range it gets a little dicey though, and it will be a slightly -EV call.

PS: heh, looks mdelore has very similar thoughts to mine

Snap.

Go bigger pre.

Not folding.

Most 1/2 players want to slowplay big hands.

I go 60-65 pre

You don't block diamonds. The nuts is 6-9. Is he calling pre with 6-9? If so then he's calling pre with a bunch of semi-bluffs that he shoves with here. He could do this with 6-7, especially 6-7 with a BDFD or ofc FD. Def has 87 suited, all the sets. But then he also has hands like flush draws with 2 overs, possibly 8-9, A8s, then 99-QQ. V1 is <3 SPR going to flop so he can jam any good draw, top pair or better. KK is near the top of your range here so I'd just call.

Flop bet sizing makes no sense. What are you looking to get called with here? What are you trying to fold out? You can bet like 60-70% pot and you'll get called/shoved by any OESD / FD. Nearly every flush draw has overs to the board. Overpairs aren't folding. Even top pairs can't fold a 60-70% cbet. A lot of his middle/bottom pair hands have gutters or OESD as well. So basically almost any hand you're beating that would call $55 will also call $100-120.

Yes, given the V descript/action, Hero small flop sizing, and you block zero draws, gii.

Always checking this flop texture with an overpair.

As played you have to call, he could be doing this with qq,jj, 10 10.

You should never "always" be doing something at LLSNL. Table dynamics, configuration, and V type should always be a factor.

V raised utg and called a 3! against H with a winning image. It's likely V doesn't always have all set combos here but has a ton (20+ combos) of over-pairs that I see played this way all the time at low stakes. I call. I sigh call with AdAs

Very routine check fold. AP fold.

Flop bet bigger. I wouldnt check

Ap call

Against 2 opponents it's always a check for me on this board and i'm sure that is probably the most +ev. I'd say run a solver on it but solvers are bad at multiway pots.

Against 1 opponent it's a big bet/call all in and pot bet turns except diamond or ace if just called.

The problem with stacking off on the flop is it is so rarely going to be an overpair but it is just often enough to justify a call.

Most of the time it's going to be a combo draw that we flip with or a made hand we are destroyed by which is why you should avoid this situation by checking and evaluating turn action unless you like to gamble which is not what I like to do.


Maybe i'm coming from a deep stack perspective as well because I am always around 200 bb's deep or more and stacking off on flops with 1 pair on wet boards multiway with 200bb's is almost always bad. If this was a 100bb stack(80bb after the 3!) it'd be easy but it's not.

What do we think V2 is tanking with? Should it affect our decision?

Wait. What?

Lollllll

Ya these forums are quickly becoming a pretty poor place for quality strategy and discussions. Trolls dropping these 1 liners with no support are becoming way too common around here.


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I would Cbet more. Cbetting same as your pf 3bet seems kinda bad. Maybe throw some checks in here on flop but I’m most likely cbetting much bigger than 55. Prolly something like 100-130 on a draw heavy board.

What

A+ gimmick.

I pretty much knew I ****ed up as soon as I made that flop bet. My initial assessment of their ranges was more 99+ and high card hands, so I wanted to bet smaller to put that range in a tougher spot. I initially didn't think that board could have hit their ranges enough, but pretty much as soon as I took a 2nd look at the board after my bet was out there, I knew it could.

I didn't really consider checking, but I'm open to it. Depending on the action though, I think I have to be more committed to the hand, which is maybe why I didn't. I do think on that flop I have to bet it bigger, and I didn't.

None of you can win cbetting nor bet calling this board with you 1-2 3bet ranges from the blinds. Check and fold is fine on a bottom 5% board for your actual and perceived range.

Warms my heart to see people stacking off here w a dry op

Lol

So what happened