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Game is super loose. 10-20 straddle every pot. Very aggro post. Hadnt seen a hand checked through on flop yet. Very juicy.

Hero-1100- tighter image. I deal and play the game so I have a good understanding of player tendencies. They know this. 900 in game after tough first half, but grinder back up to a bit o profit. Specifically off both villains in hand (got there, best held)

V1-covers-super active player from Birmingham. Plays bigger games, 10-20+. Opens wide and takes super aggro line oop. Caught him 3 barreling bottom pair for a double up with middle pair.

V2-500-bookie who runs a game. Tight with opening/3b range 1010+,aks. Gambler post flop. Super aggro, likes to overbet when he thinks he is good. Had just taken a beat, so was steaming and hadn't reloaded. Had been playing 2k deep.

Is this the right play?

V1-utg- raise to 20
V2- raise to 70
Hero- AcAh- raise to 195
Folds to v2 who calls

So this is where I'm curious about 2-5 sizing. The game was big, so the 4b didn't seem to faze anyone at the table. Are we ever sizing bigger? Ever flatting? I'd like thoughts.

Flop to come

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Was there no straddle on this particular hand? And what position are you exactly?

Never flatting, sizing I'm less sure on. $200 seemed a tad on the high side to me but if the game is active and it could look squeezish I say its good. I mean it got called...

Stack should be in on all flops btw.

With these stacks, any 4b sizing that sets up a reasonable flop shove is fine, and yours certainly accomplishes this. Flatting to let UTG in might be good if he's spazzy enough post-flop (I assume we're in LP? if we're in the blinds a 4-bet is mandatory), so if your description holds true that would be my preference. It's pretty close though.

4bet is fine. I'd make it 170-180 but 195 works. I guess u can flat if 4bet folds out villain 2 but otherwise I 4bet

Sry, ms straddle on button for 10. Players behind weren't relevant as 5 folded while I took my turn.

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If you want better advice on preflop please cut off action at hero...

I like your reraise. If you call you set off alarm bells anyway. Hope you are indeed catching V2 near the top of his range and get it in.

v1 min raises and he's super aggro post... why aren't we flatting here to keep him in the pot?
i guess it depends on what your definition of tighter for yourself is but seems pretty safe to say once you 4b that large your hand becomes pretty transparent

seems fine, should be getting it in on any flop

Flatting pre means flatting a sizeable 3-bet from a player with a very tight 3-betting range.

If v1 is good then I agree that there's not much advantage to flatting, but the fact that v1 seems bad is the entire point to flatting in the first place.

What is button's stack size btw? Now that we know there's a button straddle, that info is pretty relevant. If button is shallow I still like a flat, but if he's deep I'd 4-bet.

positions?

I'm more likely to 4b super small or flat if i'm IP on big stack villain.

Unless V1 is really bad, I'm always raising here. Flatting the 70 to let V1 stick around when V2 is not deep is very likely to play badly. There will be a lot of situations where the flop hits, V1 checks, V2 bets big/shoves and then you have a problem. Your happy playing V2 for stack on most boards, but V1 can now easily play perfectly in most situations, only sticking around if he can beat an over pair or has a big draw.

As for sizing, there are two ways to go. If you think V2 is ready to shove over a small raise, then $150 looks good. That gives you a chance V1 calls, v2 shoves and you can reshove. If you don't think V2 is shoving, which is likely because you block AA/AK, then I would go $175-$200. That kills V1's odds and makes stacking off against V2 on any flop trivial.

if that's his true range, he's gonna play pretty transparent otf with 100bb, and if he just blew through 2k i doubt he's folding to any sized 4b anyway, in saying that i think our focus should be getting money in from v1 who is an aggrotard, and a 3b then 4b from 2 known tags tells even a weak player you basically always have aces

I like it. It only leaves him with pocket change behind.
His stack goes in on most flops.
W KK he's alway jamming pre so we count that hand out.
This is most likely AK 1010-QQ

Sorry, I thought position was understood... v1, v2 and hero were seats 2-4. Btn had thrown cards in muck while hero made decision.

Since v2 flatted, I was planning on cbetting 300 any flop he checked.

Flop- Qc10c6c
V2 stuffs
Hero puke calls

How would we proceed had v1 and v2 flatted this flop?
Both check?
V1 leads 3/4 pot (standard for him) and v2 ships?
V1 checks and v2 stuffs?

Just picking some minds here as I am just getting into playing deep 2-5 on a daily basis.

Thx all

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If both v1 and v2 flat your 4-bet, the pot would be 600 on the flop with 900 behind against v1 and 300 behind against v2. In other words, never folding. If both check I'd bet enough to put v3 AI, and obviously call a shove from V2 or shove turn if he flats then checks. If v1 leads 3/4 pot and v2 ships, overship. If v1 checks and v2 ships, I'd probably flat and try to induce v1 to do something stupid, obviously calling if he obliges.

If you have AcAx not sure why you puke call? you are prob ahead and have 11 outs min.

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That isn't a particularly bad flop for you. Your ahead of a lot of a lot of hands he shoves here, and have a decent number of outs vs a set.

Once you raise $195, should almost never be folding. Against V2 you should never fold and against V1 it would have to be a terrible board. Something like KQ5 rainbow and both shove flop might get me to fold. If both check, then c-bet enough to put V2 in, if either bets then shipping right there is probably best.

[ ]puke call
[x]snap call

finding a way to gii for all the options given

Never ever folding the hand. Gave thought to folding after hand was played. Unavoidable. Rest is bbv

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4b is way to big not sure how much v open shoved but I'd 99%lolcall otf