Villain 1 is a good player, plays the bigger games, bought in direct to the game for 5k (which was 50% of the biggest stack at the time), but other than that Hero has no real reads or history with villain.

Villain 2 is a complete rock and has about 2k, his initial stack size having sat down for 6 hours and not played a hand. Hero has a lot of history with rock. Rock plays very aggro when he thinks he's winning on flop and turn to "protect" his hand.

Hero is a Tag and doesn't usually get out of line in the huge pots. Hero has 3.3k

Villain 1 raises to 25 from EP, random calls on button, Villain 2 calls from SB and Hero completes from BB with A 4ss

Flop - Ac 7d 4c - pot is 100. Villain 2 and Hero check and Villain 1 bets 50. Button and Villain 2 call and Hero makes it 250. Villain 1 calls, button folds and villain 2 calls.

Turn - Q - pot is 850. Villain 2 checks. HERO????

Thoughts please for Hero on turn and river against each opponent. Just to add, I highly suspect Villain 2 has a big draw due to the fact he doesn't ship the turn. My reads on Villain 1 are unknown.

Your HH does not make sense. You cannot have Ac4c and also have a Ac7d4c flop.

And if someone raises, you are not completing from the BB, you are calling.

Assuming the cards get straightened out, bet/call $550. You probably will be GII against V1 by the river if the FD does not hit.

What was your plan if you were 3b OTF? I'm not sure I like the x/r OTF. I think you'd have been better off just leading the flop for $75.

Why did you raise the flop? Answer that, then you'll have the answer on what to do on the turn.

Calling an EP raise with A4s oop is a mistake. Analyze how you do against an EP raiser's range. If you hit TP, is a weaker hand calling any bets?

Hand has been sorted thanks reply 1.

Reply 2 are you seriously that nitty? I have a 660 BB effective stack against Villain 1, random on button who is spewy and position on a rock with a 400 BB stack who probably has the strongest hand Preflop.

Suited aces have plenty of value vs field callers too though. I generally think people overvalue suited aces, specially oop, but I think pre is fine here.

Flop I probably just lead out.

As played bet the turn obv

Seeing is how you never made it clear, are we playing $2/5 or $5/10?

I've read in a couple threads lately about people saying to fold AXs oop, but I just don't believe people are actually doing it in game multi-way like this so I can't fault you for it, especially this deep.

I think I probably lead out on this flop with the intention of 3 betting if I get raised. I think your c/r is a little small, especially OOP, I like $275-325 a little better.

I think this turn is a good spot for an overbet. V1s range should be weighted a little more towards Ax, probably AJ+ (discount AQ a little for combinations), possibly a KcQc (KcJc) type hand as well. V2s range is almost definitely some type of draw given your description.

If we bet $550 here for value expecting V1 to call, then we're giving V2 better then 3:1 to call, with about $1200 behind, which will make for some awkward rivers. We basically hate seeing any; club, 3, 7, 8, J, Q or K on the river.

Also, if we're looking to GII with V1, betting $550ish here leaves us with a full PSB river shove, assuming V2 comes along, or more awkward stack sizes if he doesn't.

I like betting about $1100-1200 here, our hand is strong but vulnerable, which sets us up to get stacks in OTT or an easier shove OTR, and gives V2 a worse price to chase his draw.

Pre/flop are fine. I wouldn't b/f OTT as it puts V1 in excellent spot to squeeze V2, hero. AP check and eval

Why are we checking here?

I assume we raised the flop for value, the turn hasn't really changed anything.

Grunch:

Bet/fold the for $500 or so.
You're repping a very strong hand that wants to play for stacks, so V1 shouldn't be raising you without 2p+. V2 will likely play his hand face up and call when behind and drawing, and ship when winning.

we're deep OOP against a good V with same ES who raised EP and b/c wet flop; SPR is ~3.7:1, i.e. playing for stacks not good. turn changed nothing for hero, either, and v1 is aware.

IMO, b/f is a very poor line. You'd be better off checking the turn.

I don't see the problem calling PF. It is not HU with EP raiser. We are deep and will have a suited wheel ace multiway. Yes we are OOP but have sufficient IO with flush (and to a lesser extent, 2pair/straight) potential. Assume hero will c/f top pair OTF.

I would often donk into the field after hitting flop hard this way. C/R is ok depending on V tendencies but it announces strength (2pair+ or monster draw).

AP, I think we need to continue betting OTT for value. Scelsi - I think a squeeze is seen very infrequently with a pot this big at this stage in the hand after so much interest has been demonstrated. There must be little perceived FE.

I would bet 550-600 and either b/c or b/f depending on which V raises.

Post 6 - Yes this is a 2/5. Pricing V2 in is a problem yes with the 550 lead, but we know he'll ship river if he connects, making our decision on the river somewhat easier. It also puts the ball back in V1's court, making him expose the true strength of his hand due to the fact V2 is behind him and it's obvious to us both what he has. I'm not disagreeing with you by the why, I'm totally stuck as to the optimum play here.

Post 10 - I am worried about V1. He could easily have AA, 77, A7ss. Do you think check/raise is ever an option?

Post 11 - Is villain ever going to raise my bet here on turn without one of the hands above? I don't as I'm not repping much with a bet on turn here but the nuts.

My thinking is that I either Bet, and:
Bet/Fold Turn if Villain 1 raises
Bet/Shove Turn if Villain 1 Calls and Villain 2 shoves
Bet/Call Turn if Villain 1 folds and Villain 2 shoves

Or that I check/raise some random combination.

If my bets got called I'd probably check/fold/call depending on the run out

Anyone have a preference above or outright disagree with any of the options?

I doubt that anything less than ATs+ is in V1's opening range. I doubt that AT-AQs is, frankly, but for the purposes of illustrating why b/f is not a good option here, let's imagine that even if V1 did open ATs+ in EP and that's his whole range (which it's not), he's likely got enough FE to raise-bluff OTT esp with V2 in the middle of it. V2 doesn't have equity to call even with best combo draw of 56cc.

Your reply to Post 11 "I'm not repping much with a bet OTT" is correct...I think that check/r needs to be check/ship, which obv always called by the narrow range you listed.

Bet 500. Get action from AK AJ

You're so deep I'd expect playback from non-nut hands.

With A-up, we're just too strong in absolute terms to let go of the hand so easily.

Thus b/f is poor.

The only hand that beats us that I'd expect a raise from, on the turn, is AQ. Give how the action went.

But being this deep I expect playback from a pretty wide range here. So I really hate to give up so easily.

Pretty easy bet for value. Let's move on to the next action.

Neither player is going to bluff Hero.

We just check/raised flop 4-ways and if we lead turn for $500, we look super strong and also look like we're never folding. We could easily have 77/44 here and never be folding it. Even if V1 has AQ, I expect him to just call since he's a good player. However, we can still get value from him if he has a FD - which I think he does based on his flop c-bet sizing. The other villain probably also has a FD but could also have like AK and probably will give us more value.

C/C flop. Lead turn for $175.

Turn revealed

Villain 2 checks, Hero Checks (mistake), Villain 1 bets 800. Villain 2 folds.

Hero?

Fold pre. You're severely underestimating the value of position.

As played, bet $500 on turn.

As played turn, looks like a fold. Dude's range is heavily weighted to AQ and sets.

I find it interesting that OP and others say "calling pre with a suited ace is fine this deep from the blinds" but the crux of the question is "OMG villain wants to play for stacks and we're super deep and I'm worried about RIO now".

I'm not going to advocate action because I rarely play really deep. One reason I avoid it is that I'm afraid of making a 600BB mistake.

If we don't have an eventual plan to play for stacks this hand, we shouldn't be check raising the flop.

I don't like the preflop call.

As played OP you started building a big pot with what you felt was the best hand. And the preflop raiser (a good player) called your check-raise knowing a draw may call behind him? I don't think you can abandon the plan on this turn card. Bet solidly in hopes pfr peeled one and will fold leaving you with the rock (who got 7/2 when he called your flop c-r).