1/3 game at a local casino. Game is full of people limping with trash, and calling light pre flop and the re-evaluating on the flop type game

Hero: mid 30s, white guy, likely viewed as tight by most at the table, be don't limp and call like others seeing every flop.

Villain: young, black, head phones. Although not loose as most at the table,have seen him make some questionable plays.


Hand 1:
H= 200
V= 100 ish

Entire table limps around, and H has 8,5 off suit in the BB and checks his options.

Flop= 8, 5, 4
Pot = $24

Hero leads out 20, folds to V who goes all in for the 100
Hero??????

Hand 2:
Hero $250
V- covers

Villain leads out utg for 24, three callers and hero has 85dd on the button and calls.

Flop comes 5c, 7d, Kd
Pot = $118

Villain leads out for 95, folds to hero on button
Hero?????

Hand 1: Call it off, but don't be ecstatic.

Hand 2: Fold pre. Fold pre. Oh, and fold pre. Even on the BTN with other cold callers, your hand is too weak, calling is a huge mistake. If you ever get squeezed by the blinds, calling is a horrendous mistake.

AP, if you don't mind variance, shove. There's enough $ in the pot for shoving to be EV+ vs any normal range. He can never have a pair + FD, and there is only one likely set.

If you are not fond of variance, fold because your pair is bottom pair and your FD is weak.

Good advice up there ^

I might call the 2nd hand pre against a loose fish/whale but otherwise that's a fold. Even a suited gapper is a close fold.

I'd call Hand 1. I've seen a lot of players at these stakes think they have to protect an overpair like 99/TT from turn/river overcards by going all-in on the flop. If we give Villain a range of {TT, 99, 88, 55, 44, 76, 54, A8}, you have almost 50% equity against that range (needing >36%).

Hand 2, jam or fold, but I'm leaning towards folding. The only hand that is really worrisome is KK (only 3 combos), but the large pre-flop raise increases the likelihood of that being your opponent's holding. From Hand 1, it seems like this player overbets to protect his made hands on the flop.

Even though you're never really dominated, I don't think he does this with QQ or worse. If we give him a very tight range of only AA, KK, you still have 46% equity, but he's never folding to a jam so you're just flipping. Like others have said, I guess it comes down to whether or not you want to gamble, but if it were me, I'd look for a better opportunity to stack later.

Thanks for the responses...

I can see why calling pre on hand two could be a mistake... However if you are going to play that sort of hand preflop and basically hit jinga on the flop... Almost have to continue do you not?

Hand one I snapped called thinking like much of you he was shoving an over pair, unlucky for me he had flopped the straight and the board brought me no more help.

Hand 1 is a call, hand 2 is a shove. I wish all poker was this easy.

Hand 1: Fold

Hand 2: Fold Preflop

Don't sweat hand 1 if you're beat. While I don't expect him to ever have an overpair personally, it's a short-ish stack and you said he makes questionable plays. He could have 45, any 8, some random pair and straight draw, and he'd probably be right to shove against most players as his fold equity should be significant.

Hand 2 is basically shove if accepting the variance, or fold. You're a favorite against basically every hand except AdAx, AdKx, Ad7x, or Ad5x as well as all sets (and I'm excluding the unlikely two pair combos). But really it's fold pre and it's not close.

H1:

I think I'd probably call although I don't feel great about it.

H2:

Fold preflop. Flop is a choice between calling and shoving (there is absolutely no way we should be considering a fold given the strength of our monster draw here, this is clearly not a shove vs fold spot). With this much dead money in the pot compared to stacks, I'd probably shove (we can get whiffed overs to fold their decent equity, get QQ- to possibly fold, once and a while get TP to fold, and I think we're ahead of bigger flush draws thanks to our pair, all the while having decent hand equity in most cases if called).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Hand 1 is a call. You usually don't want to go broke in a limped pot, but stacks are short and V could have A8, 54, 84 or a pair + GS. Was flop rainbow?

Hand 2 obviously fold pre flop. As played, shove. V has a pretty strong pre-flop range here, raising 8x UTG. If he calls you with AA, KK, AK, KQ, KJs and AdQd-AdTd, you're basically flipping. You also fold out some weak kings and hands like QQ/JJ.

Hand 1 - Call. I think we're good here enough of the time, especially if there is 2 to a flush out there.

Hand 2 - Fold pre. As played might as well put it in. The only thing we're really doing bad against is an Ax type flush draw and we know he probably doesn't have that.

But really, fold pre on hand 2. You've got less than 100 bb, you don't have enough to win enough when you do hit (like now) to make up for the times you don't here.

Also, top up your stack. There is really no good reason not to play with at least 100 bb.

We're doing fine against Adxd since we have the made hand and steal two of their flush outs. For instance, we're 51.5% against AdQd. Only hand we're in trouble against is a set.

I'm a big advocate of topping up our stack, however I will stress that a 100bb stack is a lot more difficult to play that a shorter stack so you'd better be confident you know what you're doing. For instance, anyone advocating the option of a fold on H2 would be far better off not playing with a 100bb stack.

GimoG

Whoops. I must have forgotten we have a pair of fives at some point.