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2 Hands QJo and J10o @ 2/5 2 Hands QJo and J10o @ 2/5

09-30-2016 , 01:00 PM
Hand 1

Hero is 26 perceived as tight, but kinda off my game tonight. $600 stack
V1 to my left, young kid, just sat down, no real read $ 140ish
V2 is BB, tight old dude, bets when he has it, can call light $400

Hero is CO limp QJ $5
V1 limp $5
V2 check

flop is maybe 5/6 players

flop KQJ pot $30
V2 check, Hero bet 25 V1 call V2 call

turn 3

V2 check, Hero bet 50, as V1 is thinking V2 calls 50 then realises hes out fo turn, takes his chips back and mucks his cards. Gets told his chips stay and cards are mucked.
V1 calls 50 pot $255

River 5

Hero bets 45, V2 only has 45 behind.



Hand 2
Hero with $500 stack
V1 is same as hand 1 $400 stack
V3 is a new dude but wearing headphones and seems like he knows what hes doing, Opening in position but still quite tight range. $400 stack

few $5 callers to V3 @ CO who raises to $15
Hero J10 on button
4 callers to the flop

Flop KQ9 pot $60

V1 check, V3 check, Hero bet $25
V1 call, V3 raise $65, pot 175 Hero shoves for around 300 more.

Ill wait about 12 hours then give the rest of the info on the hands in a spoiler and below.

Thanks for the evaluations guys, spare no detail or my feelings.
2 Hands QJo and J10o @ 2/5 Quote
09-30-2016 , 01:08 PM
Hand 1 - QJo in the cutoff is probably a raise for me in a pot with several limpers. Would be great to get it head's up or take down the cash already in the pot. Would be more likely to limp QJs.

As played, everyhting post-flop is fine. I probably size turn slightly bigger, but once V2 folds you should be happy to get it in v. the short stack.

Hand 2 seems fine. People rarely raise/fold the flop, and the chek raise looks a lot like a flush draw which is probably calling your shove. On a rainbow flop I probably flat the raise and look to gii on the turn.
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09-30-2016 , 01:08 PM
Both preflops are debatable. Both are wp after that. ul
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09-30-2016 , 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceholio
Both preflops are debatable. Both are wp after that. ul
Yes I agree that both Pf are debatable. The main reason I dont feel like raising to $20-$30 to still get 4-5 callers ( very common )

I feel like stacks are short enough that if they hit and you hit better after limping you can start making them pay more than they should and possibly end up most of the stack by the river.

tl'dr I think overlimping is not the worst strategy at a table like this because when you hit you generally get paid off more than you should.
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09-30-2016 , 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIB211
Hand 1 - QJo in the cutoff is probably a raise for me in a pot with several limpers. Would be great to get it head's up or take down the cash already in the pot. Would be more likely to limp QJs.

As played, everyhting post-flop is fine. I probably size turn slightly bigger, but once V2 folds you should be happy to get it in v. the short stack.

Hand 2 seems fine. People rarely raise/fold the flop, and the chek raise looks a lot like a flush draw which is probably calling your shove. On a rainbow flop I probably flat the raise and look to gii on the turn.
Thanks for your input, I agree about the rainbow board.
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09-30-2016 , 09:59 PM
Hand 1.

V1 tanks for like 2 minutes then calls and shows KQ.


Hand 2.

V1 tank folds. V3 tank folds.

V1 said he folded Q9 and Im assuming V2 had AK with the backdoor nut flush or something.
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09-30-2016 , 10:58 PM
New read for V1 in hand #1.....hes a clown
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10-01-2016 , 06:21 AM
Hand 1 is fine, but try raising some in late position with QJo.

Hand 2 dont overbet the pot like that. You said 175 in pot and you ship 300. Just 3bet his 65 raise to like 190 or so to keep him in, maybe 240 tops.
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10-01-2016 , 06:22 AM
Hand 1
Raise pre
Flop fine
turn bet $75-80
size larger against 2 hands, that when you're beating them most likely have heaps of equity against your 2 pair. Against sticky old dude you're getting called here almost always when he calls flop and board doesnt change.

as played c/c river
2 Hands QJo and J10o @ 2/5 Quote
10-01-2016 , 06:24 AM
hand 2
pre fine
flop: just call in position and let him barrel off
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10-01-2016 , 06:27 AM
I guess you saved $45 in H1, but I'm not sure why you are betting $45 of his $90 stack. That's ridiculously stupid. Where you trying to keep him in the game and you didn't want to bust him?

It's unlucky you lost hand 1, but you should have bet the entire $90. The pot was $250+.
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10-01-2016 , 07:18 AM
Preflop is your main issue here. Hand 1 if you're going to play you're best off putting in a raise. Hand 2 is usually just a fold. Postflop aside from some sizing nitpicks played out pretty standard.
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10-03-2016 , 11:17 AM
Hand 1: Pre-flop is a raise or a call given table dynamics. You said 5-6 handed though, so I'm prob raising, what sucks about raising is the eff stacks are not great for it, but QJ is easy to play post so no biggy.

Flop:
Yep

Turn:
105$ pot, I'm making it at least 70~

River: Assuming both vills are 'in', I make it either like 120-140-160 value bet or go for like 240-shove. You're under 100BB, can't be that worried/concerned about a straight by v with stack left.



Hand 2:

Uhhhhh


Pre-Flop:
This might be a fold, but the fact that it's so damn cheap, call is ok. but I mean luhlz on the 80BB eff.

Flop:
Betting flop is good, board is wet and dangerous, should have hit ppl or enticed them much of the time, I feel like you need to bet 40+ at a bare minimum though. I don't Over-shove, I hate over-shoves unless it's a level to induce. I'm prob flatting, weakly; it's a good spot for you to do it actually, if you flat it right it will be perceived you're lost and can be moved off on turn. So flat, get V1 money in maybe and get 2 ppl to go to turn with you. On blanks let them bet, then raise the bet, if they don't bet then you bet. River should be a bet. If turn isn't club, re-evaluate. Re-raising flop is fine if you want; gets pay for draws and two pairs etc, prob is it looks super strong or overplaying like a weak two pair. If I re-raise flop, I make it like.... actually if I raise flop I'm either min-raising or shoving, both to level. Raising something like 170-240 looks wayyy to strong, another reason I like a flat.
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