Hand 1) 5 way limped pot hero finds AQoff in BB and raises $16. villain (old drunk maniac who's played ATC thusfar and on a heater) has roughly $600ish and raises $32. Folds around to hero who has been the only player to take a few pots off him 4 bets $72 leaving roughly $330 behind. Villain wants to 5 bet but accidentally calls after his bet sizing isn't enough dealer rakes in pot. Flop) 872 rainbow. Hero cbets max $100. Villain insta raises $200. Hero??? *Keep in mind drunk is talking all sorts of junk during tank.

(Hand 2) 4 way limped. Hero has 64off in SB and completes BB checks. Flop) 964 rainbow. Hero donk bets $8 a little more than pot. 2 callers ep limper($70ish) no reads and BB($140ish) a young meticulous reg who I figure to be decent. Turn) K. 2 checks. Hero bets $17 i chose a half pot bet to maybe not kill off 9s and maybe induce raises. BB calls. Ep raises $44 all in. Hero? Given BB is still in do we raise here to isolate and get ep's hand hu,fold sometimes or just call? if so...what can BB flat twice that we get to fold now?

hand 1: 4 bet bigger if you are going to 4b for value. I actually just c/f flop, but i feel like a wuss for it.

hand 2: the book says fold pre, but as played move all in on the turn. Also how can BB raise to 44$ all in if he has 140$?

Maybe reword the original post.

Sorry edit has been made. Its correct now ep is the shuver. BB is in middle. Do we really fold SB pre flop here on hand #2?? I almost always have auto call on in this spot.

Hand #1 I agree I should defiantly raise a little more for value per flop. This way its easier to get more in the middle on most flops on these spread limit games. Its a spot im usually flatting pre 75% against most villains. But against drunk tard i chose this line. On a flop this dry im cbeting almost 100% anyone else can correct that opinion if im wrong?

Bump for answers! Frustrating hands

Hand 1: if V is drunk he is calling with any 2 pre flop so I don't see a point in 4 betting, especially super small...? I would call Vs raise to 32 and play a flop. As played I just fold and move on, he can be bluffing with better than AQ.

Hand 2: this is a shove on the turn.

Drunks make hands too. Wouldn't be surprised to see TT+ from him in hand 1.

I agree with pf fold in two. You smashed this flop and still have a tough decision. As played raise > call but not by far. If you're ahead of bb it's by a lot so I don't mind calling and getting more value on most rivers if he stays. Conventional wisdom is to raise here though.

I also agree here. Maybe we shouldn't bloat the pot more than necessary. I agree with the flop play. But atleast a cbet is correct right?

Agreed drunks do make hands. But only reason I wouldnt put this particular villain on 1010+ is because he did seem to have a sense to raise good hands pre. This hand he limp raised stating he was after me lol

Hand 2) have I really been spewing this much by completing our sb's in hands with multiple limpers

It's more of a leak than a spew but it can lead to spew

Interesting. Thanks I'll work on plugging it. Results: first hand hero tank folds. Second hand hero shuvs and BB calls with middle set 99.