7 handed at tough table.

1/2

hand 1
V is a thinking LAG. Opening every hand he plays for $10 (maybe playing 50%of his hands). Stabby and sticky postflop. Doubtful he is capable of any big moves. Gonna be super loose in position and bet a ton of hands when checked to. V angles like crazy. Previous hand he angled a little old lady so bad, then she drew out on him and he berated her and started smack talking her after she told him to stop talking to her. Hero came to defense of the lady and told him to pick on someone his own size...yadayadayada. V told hero to mind his own business...hero told V to get a job...verbal sparring ensued. Lolz.

Hero has a spewy TAG image.

$1200 effective

Hero opens AJ UTG to $15, V calls on button.

(31.50) Flop: JT9

Hero bets $30, V calls

($87) 2

Hero checks, V bets $50, hero tank calls

($187) 3

Hero checks, V bets $80, hero calls



Hand 2 Next orbit

UTG is a LAG who plays 2/5. Has been squeezing every straddle and double straddle he makes.

V is LAG from last hand

UTG straddles $5, V is UTG+1 double straddles to $10, 1 fold, hero open limps KK, fish limps behind, UTG straddle makes it $50, UTG+1 calls, hero tanks and raises to $200, folds back to V who tank calls.

($453) flop: A62

V checks, hero checks

'' turn: 7

V bets $250, hero tank calls

($953) river: 5

V bets $300, hero calls.

Do you not want us to see the result of hand 2 because you lost that one?

there really is no need for all this trash talking at a poker table
it´s not even funny trash talk. just rude.

I think he is showing us results of hand 1 to give us a good insight into his impression of V.
Withholding hand 2 to get better advice. Not necessarily because he lost.

I subbed a while ago to see what people say and hopefully learn a thing or two.

Interesting hands OP.

Hand 1 I'd have taken a more aggro line especially because of your dynamic with V and the fact you don't think he can make big moves.

In other words bet flop, bet turn and bet river with the plan to fold a turn or river raise - i.e. max value.

Hand 2 I think you have to bet that flop every time to maximize value from lower po ket pairs of which there are more in his range than AX hands. You can then check back turn and perhaps river depending on live reads

My standard line is to bet 3/4-PSB on flop and turn, river line depends on V. Check folding turn or river 8,Q,K. Bet folding just about everything else. Been trying to take more creative lines against thinking players.


Hand 2 I think you have to bet that flop every time to maximize value from lower po ket pairs of which there are more in his range than AX hands. You can then check back turn and perhaps river depending on live reads

Standard WA/WB, no? I thought flop, turn were super standard. River is the real decision in the hand I think. Against most players I think we can fold here, even without the bdfd coming in. Really interesting in hearing others thoughts.

Re hand 2:

I think the word "standard" is overused, there are so many factors in a poker hand that there rarely is a standard operating procedure.

I agree that the river is not an easy decision but it is so opponent dependent that I honestly can't think of the right move.

Folding would pretty much be out of the question for me BUT I do have a rep for being a bit of a station so...

You could turn your hand into a bluff but again, that's opponent and read dependent.

H2:

I thought they were too. Can't cbet A-hi flop with KK here because you fold out everything you are crushing, but never fold out the things you are now losing to (AK; AQ; AJs if its there)

And then the turn follows: you've often got to call one street because our hand is now somewhere between underrepped and faceup (which is why you delay cbet AK here sometimes to balance)

The river is interesting. In H1, we got a confirmation of the reads. Sizing on the river with a busted draw / weak pair was indicative. For this sizing in H2, against a LAG i've seen bluff the river, I'm calling 100% of the time. Raising is not an option with our bluff-catcher.

He shouldn't have many Aces, right? I'm saying 0% weighting to AA, and there aren't many AK combos (just 6) left with one A out and two Ks in our hand. Calling a $200 re-raise with AQ seems suicidal / horrifically bad. Similarly, he didn't have the odds to setmine, so don't expect many lower/ mid- PPs. I am really struggling to fit his line to a hand that could call $200 preflop, so I sigh-call

the spoiler in H1 also tells us something interesting about his preflop selection / preferences for suitedness. although i guess thats what you get with a 50% VPIP

Tough spot. If i am limping KK i am also flatting the $50 and letting him play.
You have got to bet OTF. I think I'd talk myself into folding OTT.

AP: Think call down is "reasonable".

+1

I don´t do it.

But admittedly, it makes life easy for the fish to bet 1/2pot and then just surrender if they get called because their V will always have the ace. Checking and then paying off on two streets against V´s who don't bluff much is much worse.

Actually a lot of fish in my game will bet small on the flop, bet small on the turn, and check river with big pairs. With AK they play flop and turn similarily but will bet big on the river.

C-betting flop in hand 2 would be terrible (I also check behind AK in this spot). Turn call is very standard, I'm fine with the river call against this V.

@KM - What do you think LAG means?

Go reread you description of V, and then tell me if you think open raising AJs from up front was the best idea. What you should have done in the first hand is limp in. Your hand isn't strong enough to stand a re-raise in most cases, but it often has a lot of equity post flop. Don't get blown off of it, especially while out of position. Just chill, and limp in.

If someone raises, make your read, and play accordingly. If a guy on the button with a 50% VPIP raises....then punch him in the face with a 3-bet. Don't make it huge, you want him to call. And he'll almost never fold to anything reasonable. He's playing too many hands, compound that mistake by making him do so in a big pot when you have the lead.

As played, on the flop you have a good but vulnerable hand. But the v is "sticky and stabby" post flop, so I would definitely try and get some value right here and now. Check and let him do his "stabby" act. Then check/raise small. An aggro/spewy player's ego will never let him fold even a weak holding to a small bet. When he calls, that's you making money.

In general, LAGS make money by preying on a mismatch of information. They bet their entire range expecting their opponents to only play back with the top of their range. When they encounter strength, their opponents let them know. When their opponents are weak (most of the time), they make money when everyone folds. To exploit the LAG, you have to flip that script. You have to deny information about your hand by checking and calling with your good stuff, and betting/raising with your junk. Sometimes you'll check/call into a backdoor flush, or run a crazy bluff into a set, but if you wanna beat a LAG, you need to gamble with them.

Long story short....don't lead the flop as played. In most cases, I would check/call TPTK on all three streets against a lag. Here the flop is so wet that villain's range is a gold mine of draws. Get value with a check raise.

Yes the pot will be bloated, yes you're still out of position, yes a lot of turn cards are scary. Those are all great reasons to check/fold if V goes crazy on a scary card. Remember, a scare card looks just as scary to him if he didn't hit. A bluff stab on the turn after you check-raise would be serious lunacy. By check/raising the flop, you're forcing him to play straightforward from that point on. So you can comfortably check/fold if things get dicey. If a red 4 comes on the turn...launch missiles.

Hand 2, I'm ok with I guess. Personally, since I don't know the guy and I wasn't there, I'm leaning toward giving up after the flop, but in real life I might feel differently.

I didn't see results, but if he did in fact fire turn and river with QQ or worse, then there is a very profitable counter-measure to take for the remainder of the session. Do you see what it is?

Tank calling the turn on hand 2 may increase his willingness to bluff river. If you call the turn, you should decide right there if you are also probably calling a river bet.

Good analysis.

Not sure about the flop c/r. I think we just overrep our mediocre hand and scare him into calling down with two pair. I would much prefer to c/r a stronger hand or a draw here.