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01-26-2014 , 03:14 PM
A few hands last night that I think I lost value on. Simple line check, all thoughts appreciated.

Table: 1/2 just opened, first time playing with most of the table. Stacks in both hands are ~180

V: The type of V I really don't like playing OOP against. Mid 50s, often bets when checked to, draws and made hands alike.

Hero: Young, hoodie and a constant pint of beer. Jabbering with a few Vs, playing/raising a good amount of hands. Loose image, but I've just been getting lots of good hands.


Hand 1:
Hero UTG+1 makes it 13 with 99
Folds to V in MP who calls, folds around

Flop (29) : 9J3 cc
Hero bets 20
V folds


Hand 2:
Hero UTG makes it 17 with AA
Only V in MP calls again

Hero blind raises 40
Flop (37) :AT6 dd

V tank folds

Now I've seen V continue pretty often, but I really despise checking flopped sets. These flops were both wet and I don't want to let draws in possibly for free. Nor do I want to check a set OOP.

Thoughts?
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01-26-2014 , 03:25 PM
Hand 1 is super standard. Sizing looks good, with straight draws, flush draws and na over card. Nothing wrong there. Wll played.


Hand 2, why are you betting blind? Really big mistake IMO. In this case it's actually make worse by the fact that you got about the nut good flop. He pretty much can't have an Ace, and unless he flopped a set, he's going to assume that he's behind your KK/AA and just fold.

And you are betting more than the pot. If (and it's a big if, because I wouldn't) you wanted to do this, I would certainly bet let. Like $25 or so. $40 blind just screams strength. Would you ever do this with KK? QQ? Anything other than AA? If you had some dynamic where you did this often it would be less horrible, but if you don't, it's pretty god awful.

You should have just seen the flop, and bet $29-33 whatever you normal cBet size is here.
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01-26-2014 , 03:44 PM
WP on hand 1. Unfortunately, sometimes we just flop the nuts and get no action.

Hand 2: I don't understand the logic behind betting blind here. Probably just bet/bet/shoving (25/45/AI) this hand, but if he's shown floating tendencies and you've been c/betting a lot you could also c/shove turn (DISCLAIMER: I think it's only correct to take this line on dry boards, not this particular one. This is really bad against passive players who are happy to take free cards though.)
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01-26-2014 , 03:50 PM
Yeah hand 2 I butchered. I meant to make it 30 blind but chips stuck together.

Even still, probably should have just bet bet or bet c/r as you guys said.
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01-26-2014 , 04:07 PM
Hand 1, I play the exact same way with same sizing. Hand 2 bet $25 on flop. Do not bet dark. If villain is the type to bluff then I may check call. Also realize that with top set its so unlikely for villain to have top pair but you usually take your chances and bet
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01-26-2014 , 04:12 PM
Hand 1 looks good.

Hand 2 - although I would bet the flop, I wouldn't overbet and I wouldn't bet dark. Obviously it's tough for villain to have top pair, but there are a lot of hands that will at least call, like flush draws, 87, 98, QJ, KQ, KJ, Tx, and pairs between the T and A that didn't 3 bet pre. I'd rather check on an A82r board.
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01-26-2014 , 06:19 PM
Hand 1 cbet is standard. QTs Jx hands all call. Everything else folds.

Hand 2: I think leading out is best. I want to charge flush draws and maybe get value from QQ or JJ.
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01-26-2014 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
... a constant pint of beer.

Hero blind raises 40

Thoughts?
Cause/effect?
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01-26-2014 , 07:30 PM
hand one is fine, hand two never bet blind, nothing good comes from it.
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01-26-2014 , 10:32 PM
Hand 1: good.

Hand 2: Good if I'm villain. Perfect flop to delay cbet or x/call/lead-turn.
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01-26-2014 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by InTheDark
Cause/effect?
Just wanted to try and take advantage of the drunk spewy image.
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01-27-2014 , 03:18 AM
Hand 1 is standard.

Hand 2 I wouldn't blind bet or blind shove ever. This usually screams AA and fish even know it. You won't do this with rest of your range so don't do it with AA.

With your description of V why not check it to him? Since he likes to fire when checked to. With these guys I love to x/r or x/c, x/c, jam. Drives them crazy and if they have anything decent your line will make them snap you off
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01-27-2014 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10
Hand 1 is standard.

Hand 2 I wouldn't blind bet or blind shove ever. This usually screams AA and fish even know it. You won't do this with rest of your range so don't do it with AA.

With your description of V why not check it to him? Since he likes to fire when checked to. With these guys I love to x/r or x/c, x/c, jam. Drives them crazy and if they have anything decent your line will make them snap you off
+1....understand trying to take advantage of a spewy, drunk image but don't see it working on this board. As stated, he generally has some sort of hand to continue. If he has a flush draw, he'll bet and good time to make him pay for it with a check-raise.
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01-27-2014 , 03:33 AM
Hand 1: Looks good except I think we can bet more, like $25, since we got mad blockers to mid pair so most of his calling range will be Jx/FDs/SDs.

Hand 2: Don't bet blind, and don't overbet blind to $40. I like a bet of $25 here as unlike hand 1 most of his calling range will be Tx and FDs and we don't want to blow those out of the hand.
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