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04-17-2014 , 10:56 AM
Hey guys!

6 handed game drunken game with alot of weak players.

Hero/BTN(400) Young 20s whitey, started the session off really rough getting caught cbet bluffing twice and value owning self a few times. Has since turned it around and MAY be viewed as TAGish if these guys are even paying attention.

Villian/UTG1(700) Young 20s blacky, somewhat passive and easy to push over, have seen him tank call with the 2nd/3rd nuts in the past. Will show up with some funky hands at times like J7o and Q2o. really no consistent tendencies. Have played with him a few times.

Villian Opens for 10 UTG1
3 callers
Hero calls with AK

I elected to flat here because I think a reasonably sized 3bet will fold out all of the weak players playing dominated Aces. What do you guys think about that?

Flop(53) 1094

Villian leads for 15.
Folds to hero who calls.

I decided to call here because this lead looks so weak to me, This villian is NEVER leading 15 here with an overpair and since I hold the A I know hes not semi-bluffing the NFD. I plan to put in a value raise if an A/K falls and to attempt to steal if the draw bricks or semi-bluff the NFD if a 3rd falls.

What do you guys think?

Turn(83) A

Villian leads 35
Hero calls

River(153) 9

V leads for 65

Hero?
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04-17-2014 , 11:02 AM
You have to 3 bet pf here, AK on the button is an auto-3bet at 1-2. I'd make it about $50 here.


If you fold out A8+ then so be it, but you will also fold out some pairs which are ahead of you. It will also help you to range your opponent a bit better.

Also, you said this - "know hes not semi-bluffing the NFD. I plan to put in a value raise if an A/K falls and to attempt to steal if the draw bricks or semi-bluff the NFD if a 3rd falls."

Then the ace came and you didn't raise. I would raise the turn for value, I'm not happy about it if he shoves. Could be a standard raise/fold spot.

The bets on the flop and turn are very small, is this the sort of V to bet small for value or is he scared and just "seeing where he's at"?
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04-17-2014 , 11:04 AM
I opted out of raising the turn because I think V will bet any river

As far as my opnion on the bet sizing, this looks indicative of a Villian who feels like he should keep betting but doesn't want to, if that makes any sense?
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04-17-2014 , 11:07 AM
I am making it 35 pre in this spot. If everyone folds that is not the worst thing in the world. You picking up a $30+ pot without seeing a flop. If you get called you likely have the best hand and can C-bet, take down the pot. Im not sure if your info on V here really helps us in this spot because thus far you said V has basically been very passive and he is showing a lot of aggression here. I am not sure how to interpret this. As played I know these are tough folds to make live but I think I am laying this down on the river. Looks like two pair or a boat to me
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04-17-2014 , 11:07 AM
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I opted out of raising the turn because I think V will bet any river

As far as my opnion on the bet sizing, this looks indicative of a Villian who feels like he should keep betting but doesn't want to, if that makes any sense?
If that's your read then it's an interesting decision between raising for value (will he call with 10x? Ax?) and just flatting. As played I think you can raise for value and get called by a weaker ace or a 10.

Would a 9 really bet so small on the river? Possibly if he's a real drooler.
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04-17-2014 , 11:21 AM
3bet pre - keeping dominated aces in isn't that valuable if there are so many people in the pot that neither you nor said dominated aces will be comfortable putting much money in the pot with just TP. I mean, you're banking on someone else having a lower A, then one of the two other As left in the deck coming on the flop while none of the million other players in the pot flops >1pair - does that seem like a particularly likely scenario?

Just fold flop unless you have some sort of soulread on the guy. I'm really confused because:
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really no consistent tendencies. Have played with him a few times.
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This villian is NEVER leading 15 here with an overpair
seem pretty contradictory. His betsize alone isn't enough to convince me that he's bluffing into 4 other players. I wouldn't mind a float HU or 3way but his range has gotta be a little stronger here - what if that's the betsize he takes with monsters?

As for turn and river, this piece of info:
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somewhat passive and easy to push over, have seen him tank call with the 2nd/3rd nuts in the past.
makes raising for value seem pretty bad, as he's unlikely to call with much worse. Just call down once you hit gin OTT.
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04-17-2014 , 11:22 AM
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If that's your read then it's an interesting decision between raising for value (will he call with 10x? Ax?) and just flatting. As played I think you can raise for value and get called by a weaker ace or a 10.

Would a 9 really bet so small on the river? Possibly if he's a real drooler.
The whole line to me looks really weak, I can't imagine a made hand making it so cheap on a draw heavy board the way he does. There are plents of Ax in Vs UTG range but not so many Ts or 9s, Then again we are shorthanded here so a good thinking player will widen their opening range especially with a bunch of drunks as company.

I think I totally botched this hand so im looking for a good kick in the ***.
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04-17-2014 , 01:49 PM
Grunch:

Always 3-bet pre please. You have a great hand, good positions, and someone is coming along if you raise. AK doesn't play that great 5-ways.

AP, this is the flop to float, and I'd raise almost all turns unless you actually hit, in which case I'd call for SDV if V bets. If he checks, I'm betting hit or not.

AP to turn: We have good SDV now, lets not turn it into a bluff. Call. We could raise for value, but if he's offering us this good a price on this board, he's super polarized, so if we raise, we're either losing him, or overplaying our hand against a monster.

Obvious river call is obvious, for same reasons.
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04-17-2014 , 01:52 PM
$50-55 pre

Would expect to see V show up with AT or 9x pretty often (esp. 9xcc) but I'm not folding river.
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