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01-12-2014 , 07:37 PM
FOXWOODS

villian is semi old (maybe late 40s early 50s) man who hasn't played a lot of hands, he opened one straddles pot hand to 30 and cbet flop, and someone folded in LP and he showed down AA. so i guess he is a semi tight image but he has occasionally limped pre as well

so he limps UTG+1 and 5 others limp I raise to 45 with 98o only villian calls rest fold

flop J 2 3

he checks i bet 66 he instacalls

turn 7
he checks i bet 132 he tanks a few sec and counts his chips out and calls

river 6

he checks

i insta say all-in

hand started he had about 500 even and i barely cover by a couple 100
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01-12-2014 , 07:47 PM
Raise pf is pretty loose and probably spew

Flop cbet is fine, turn bet is alright since we turned a GS and he might float a little wide OTF

On the river though I don't expect him to fold, 45 gets there and like his range is probably real inelastic from turn to river.

Also snap shipping looks FOS.
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01-12-2014 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Also snap shipping looks FOS.
This. Hand is generally spew, no need to make plays like this at 2/5 at foxwoods. But you will get him to fold a jack on the river with a shove a lot of the time. Snap shove looks FOS though.
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01-12-2014 , 07:58 PM
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01-12-2014 , 08:01 PM
2-5nl watch me set money on fire.

FYP
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01-12-2014 , 09:11 PM
this post is worthless without a description of hero's image/history at the table and how V is likely to perceive this 3 barrel

with information provided, old men who call large bets on the turn rarely fold river when the board doesn't change to improve hero's range. i'd like the line with KK+.
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01-12-2014 , 09:59 PM
is and old loose player ever folding a J here? seems like a spew
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01-12-2014 , 10:14 PM
Pre-flop is crazy spew man. Raising 6 limpers pre with 87o to 45?

At least you are on the BTN, yes?

Flop is a good c-bet texture and you're heads up, so sure. Go for it.

Turn is spew. You picked up a gut shot, but you're not going to get him to fold his range of Jx, pocket pairs, etc. Not a good barreling card.

River is also spew.

You also have no read on this guy, and this is a very read-specific line. Though TBH, I really have no idea *what read* would make this line +EV.
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01-12-2014 , 10:52 PM
Whole thing is a trainwreck. What was the thought process preflop and on turn and river?
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01-13-2014 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain



TOTALLY
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01-13-2014 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
villian is semi old (maybe late 40s early 50s) man
Wait till you get to this age, then tell me if you feel old.

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Originally Posted by radioheadfan
old men who call large bets on the turn rarely fold river
We are talking late 40's or so, not OMC, ffs. I'm 48, try playing me like I'm OMC, I'll own ur ass.

Oh, and to OP, your line is spew. There is nothing in your read of V that would suggest that a bluff will work here. He has put in half his stack by the river, and your river bet looks bluffy. If he does fold, though, you will own his soul from here on in.

GL!
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01-13-2014 , 05:20 AM
The Real LLSNL: Typical Donkalicious Hand
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01-13-2014 , 05:32 AM
Give me a queen, ace, or have a flush come in. I need a scare card to bluff. We are repping thin and you might get him to fold a pair.
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01-13-2014 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
this. and ya fold pre

youre playing 2/5 with all idiots, wait for hands and value bet, also get in with speculative hands to win buy ins at a time

you do not have get fancy and try to make amazing plays like this for no reason when you easily can dominate the table

he has AJ here 80% of the time and isnt folding
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01-14-2014 , 01:12 PM
you are playing poker like a fish what is there to be so proud about?

raise 45o pf 100 times and see how many times you win and how many times you lose.



/thread
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01-14-2014 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
he checks i bet 66 he instacalls
I really don't know why people bet 66 in a 2/5 game it's a good thing dollars are banned in higher limit games.
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01-14-2014 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
I really don't know why people bet 66 in a 2/5 game it's a good thing dollars are banned in higher limit games.
your not allowed to bet $1's down in NJ, I thought that was everywhere, guess not.

considering he limp/called you should be able to take down the pot here, he doesn't have many, if any big pairs, as long as you have a read that he can fold top pair the river bet is pretty much mandatory once you get there like this.

Still pretty thin imo
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01-14-2014 , 04:02 PM
Hand was played like a total abortion.

Pre - bad
Flop - not terrible
Turn - bad
River - terrible
You should generally bluff scare cards and I don't really see a scare card
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01-14-2014 , 05:07 PM
yeah this is bad. limp pre, flop bet is fine although i might size a bit bigger bc i think he will fold more pps to 3/4 sizing and im probably only firing one barrel. unless you think he peels the flop with 2s or Ahi type hands (which i dont know why you would think based on description) just check. as played, still probably check back river because youre too shallow, you only have a half pot bet left and he has a bunch of good Jx at this point. you have so much air here if you open 89o and barrel it
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01-19-2014 , 02:14 AM
Spoiler:
he tank called with AJo and was happy when he saw i was bluffing ( i guess he thought i had QQ+)
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01-19-2014 , 02:37 AM
This post lol . Anyways… if you're gonna raise like this and give a faceless V I guess the c-bet and turn bet are okay. But once he calls the turn he's calling the river 90% of the time.
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01-19-2014 , 04:06 AM
Wtf is this?
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01-19-2014 , 04:15 AM
Thanks for posting Newyorkgrinder, it's sometimes hard to admit mistakes, but I think you know you were spew happy and I appreciate hands like this.

I myself have bluffed at inopportune times many times, and in retrospect, I think it's important to consider what you are representing, but also, consider what others think of what your representing. If you had AA, KK, QQ, or JJ, then you felt this old man. If you bide your time, it's pretty much a guaranteed double up if you wait for the right spot, this guy is obviously never going to fold TPTK when you outflop him. Unless you have a specific read on the opponent, waiting for better spots will save you a lot of money in the long run.
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01-19-2014 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Newyorkgrinder
Spoiler:
he tank called with AJo and was happy when he saw i was bluffing ( i guess he thought i had QQ+)






Pay no attention to the flamers. Its that old "I will berate you condescendingly so that I feel better about myself" thing. But DO see the parts of them that say----poor bluff, and learn from it. My 2 cents.
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01-19-2014 , 10:57 AM
Overlimp preflop. Iso-raising 98o over a tight UTG+1 limper is pretty bad. I wouldn't mind the big preflop raise as a steal if UTG+1 had a weak limping range, but it seems pretty likely that he has a relatively strong UTG+1 limping range. As played to flop, c-bet is good on a good dry flop texture. As played to turn, you should check back turn because Villain is probably "fit or fold" on flop. Therefore, he has a decent/good piece on flop and is likely to call a turn barrel on a blank. River is a really bad bluff shove. You should not be in the habit of trying to triple barrel people off top pair on blank runouts.
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