He's a nit, he might find a fold with KQ here if you reraise too big as your line looks a ton like 55,44. Also he min CR hero, it's unlikely he does this with a draw. And lastly we don't have to pay him off on river if he does have a draw, we just need to price him out on turn but make it small enough to keep in his range. A raise to $175 gives him 2:1 so he'll breakeven with a 15 out draw if you don't pay off river and his weaker draws are making a mistake to call. Also on the tiny chance you hit a boat and he hits a flush you stack him. And this raise size keeps in KQ which is obviously making a huge mistake to call you and allows you to shove river and make him feel committed

Raise to $150 is fine too. Anything smaller just loses value and anything above $175 can scare away KQ if he's that nitty. Yes his line is super strong. He obviously thinks he has the nuts here but KQ and 44 look like the nuts here and QQ+ likely raises pre so this is a clear shove (and to prevent scare cards coming)

Ok well it looks like we're pretty much in agreement here. 150 and shove over his 4 bet for value. I shoved and he snap called. River comes a club and he shows QQ

I liked my line, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

Sure he stacked me but I don't like his Line at all. How much value is he missing by just checking his option pre with QQ? Also what is he gonna do, check it to river and hope someone catches a set to pay him off or worse a straight or FH and bust him. Just weird. Looks like it loses so much value.

Even most loose passive players raise QQ+ pre, but this is live poker so anything is possible. Though its rare I've seen some guys check AA in the bob pre after several limpers. Their justification is that any two cards can win, they want to lose the minmimim when behind, etc despite this logic not making sense. Anyways this hand is just a cooler, you should never fold here. Take note that he doesn't raise pre and adjust accordingly. I wouldn't be surprised if he limp calls KK pre.

Villain has absolutely no doubt in his mind that he has the nuts when he min4bets you on the turn. If he really is that nitty, this is always a made hand and never less than KQ. Because your line looks a lot like 55,44 villain might not even reraise KQ here. Regardless as played you only need 35% to breakeven here due to the dead money and you have 33% against KK, QQ, 44 and 62% against KK, QQ, KQ, 44

if villain can have QQ, then he can have AA as well, giving us 6 more combos we're ahead of.

Would villain do this with AA tho..

Just call were IP hes not c/r to this size with combo draws. We are wellllll ahead here

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Prior to knowing V has QQ; V is not check raising with any draws and I feel he is calling most 3 bets from us. Always raise here. I like 150-200 but it really is just a matter of preference. So many other hands we have beat.

If he we are well ahead (which I agree I feel that we almost always are) why call behind and give him a potential scare card on the river to let him off the hook? Calling makes no sense here against this V imo. Only time I take that line is against LAGS who I have a strong inclination that they are trying to steal the pot and will fire huge barrels on the river. Thats the only time to call the raise.

This is why we should reraise turn. Flatting loses too much value. And by the way KQ is an easy raise fold on turn against this villain

reraise turn 155, this makes the pot 335 on the river and you have a little over psb left to jam.

as played minraise him back for giggles or just fist pump get it in

nitty players dont check minraise with draws in this spot thus giving him pot odds to draw is fine.

flatting the turn is a mistake

sorry if villian checked KK or QQ in the bb, it happens.

I agree with most of this and that's why I took the $150 3 bet plan to jam river line.

Interesting what you said in bold as I'm starting to see this now, albeit quite rarely and I guess it is related to something I am starting to see a lot of.

Last session I saw people(Regs actually, even 1 that I thought was an OK Reg) flat AA and KK 5 times after 2-4 limpers and a position raise(2 of them did this from blinds and played vs multiple players OOP FFS). Seeing a flop with 4-6 players even OOP which I think is just horrible.

I was unfortunately the one who ran QQ into 2 of those. I pot controlled once and that guy lost a ton of value and then vs a short stack who more than doubled up and his play was probably OK as he was only 70BB deep and was looking for a big score. I also stacked a guy for 180BB when I flopped 999 set vs his AA in the SB and he just check called whole way. Seems like just asking for trouble but it has put me in spots like this where I just don't put those hands or very few of those hands in their range.

In short it causes me some difficulty as I really range people pretty well and look for max value if I think I am ahead of their range/calling range.

Comments on this? Anyone seeing much of this lately? I've seen it some, but 5 times in 10 hours seems just insane. That session where I saw it 5 times was at Borg 2-5.

Most of my play is within a pretty contained player pool, and I have not seen this at all. However, they might end up folding to bad boards, which is what I think would happen often.

Haven't noticed it at the casinos, either, but I'm not there too often. I'll pay attention in Vegas next month.

variance with regards to people slowplaying preflop. so what if they hate money? these are the same people who whine when they lose with their big hands and dont realize how many mistakes they made throughout the hand. live players are nits, much like most of this forum

play your hands, value bet hard. if you value cut yourself, its a good thing in the long run

I'm reraising here ~130$. As other ls have mentioned there are a handful of combo to gain value from

Okay versus his strong range of 2 pair+ or Top Pair Good Kicker he is not going to c/f after c/minraising range. The only thing re raising does is fold out his bluffs, and those bluffs are going to want to bluff on scarier river cards.

Also, what about the times hes c/raising/folding his Kx to see where he is at which is what a lot of live players do and is terrible. If he is raise folding that there is a good chance hell c/c river or maybe get lucky and spike another K or 2 pair and call off more.