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Old 08-05-2013, 03:38 PM   #1
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2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

2/5NL at Charlestown. Hero has been playing super tight, has not gotten out of line and has only shown down the goods in earlier pots (super rare for an ASIAN lol). Occasionally limping in with marginal hands but really haven't been involved much unless I had it. Notable hands that villains seen me play where I've 3bet pre, both times I've had big PP (QQ/KK) and doubled up both of those hands. Stack is about 1000.

Villain: fairly loose-passive bad reg.. older asian guy. Doesn't get too out of line, although I HAVE seen him rep/bluff scare cards. But usually pretty straightforward. Has been giving me some respect for my bets/raises, although last time he did try to bluff me with a b/f on the river when broadway was the nuts (I raised him and I had it). Stack about 800.

2 people limp. I limp OTB with K 8. I know I know, raise or fold. But with this table I was able to take a somewhat loose-passive preflop approach and dial up the aggression on later streets if situation called for it. I didn't want to raise barrel away and ruin my image. Anyway.. SB and BB copmlete and check.

Flop 5-way ($25): 9 6 3
Villain SB leads for $20. Everyone folds. I call.

Turn HU ($65): 5
Villain leads for $65. I raise to $215.

I know Villain is somewhat strong here. I'd say 9x and possibly 2ps. However, I haven't bluffed at all this session and I felt this was a good spot to rep a hand. I could easily have 78 or any other # of combo draws. I know this villain is not going to put in THAT much money unless he has it. What does the forum think?
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:55 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

I'm not fan vs. his line. He lead into 4 opponents OTF and now bets pot. I'd fold.
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:58 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

the biggest argument against raising is the PSB on the turn. that looks very strong when combined with flop action.
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Old 08-05-2013, 04:55 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

your throw away comment about him bluffing at scare cards tells me he's not folding a winner here and probably sniffs out your bluff. Possibly you pushed him off a draw of his own but you could have done that by raising the flop to $65.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:01 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

im fine with raise i like it actually i think your sizing looks a bit too big and our hand has so much equity that calling might be better so we dont have to put our stack in with k high

either just call or make it 190ish--- you wouldnt go that big w 78 imo and its going to make people more curious
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:10 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

I don't like it because of your read. He's loose and passive. That's about the worst target for this type of play.

You want to target a player who is:

A. Capable of betting any 9-X hand for value here (this is most players..i.e. most players would keep betting A9 here)

B. Is capable of folding.

The problem is the large turn bet scews his range a bit more toward sets/2 pair than 9-X. Some players will bet half pot with say 910o here but pot with a set.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:26 PM   #7
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Hmm yeah perhaps I should have just called again.

I really felt like my image was good enough that I could use it to push him off a hand.. just one of those live "feel things" if you know what I mean

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Old 08-06-2013, 09:56 AM   #8
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

The problem is that since he simply completed the small blind, his range contains much less one pair hands on this board than we need to get enough folds.

The turn isnŽt enough of a scare card for him to fold 2p, since the 5 only really helps 78, and his pot-sized bet already told you it doesnŽt scare him, although the diamonds probably do, so I think youŽre likely to get 3bet here a lot which makes the play even worse because we have to give up our equity.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:06 AM   #9
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

Hate this bluff.

You could just flat the turn and draw to a flush, maybe overflush him and collect his stack.

Or you could just fold to the PSB on the turn (better idea).
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:43 PM   #10
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

villian led into 2 PSB, you're hoping to hit the flush and hope he doesn't have A-xdd. better to just call or even fold in this situation.
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:15 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5NL: turn semi-bluff

Understand what you're thinking, just don't like it too much. As BenT07891 he really is the worst type of player to try and bluff. What happened? I'm assuming he shoved?
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:46 PM   #12
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Results of the hand: villain tank called turn.. River was the beautiful 4 villain checks I bet half pot for 250.. he tank calls and I'm good

I think I could have bet river bigger but with 4 to a straight I thought it'd be hard to call much bigger but I dunno

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