Weekend 2-5NL game, pretty wild, moderately aggressive game

4 loose passive rec players,
1-2 aggro spewtards raising a lot and cbetting
2 somewhat capable aggro young regs, capable of semibluffs, light 3bets
Hero playing tight and moderately aggro, built up stack from 400 to 630 in about 1.5 hrs, active in position mostly, showed down only a couple of good hands

V1 $450 Utg+1 Loose Passive - limps
V2 $400 UTG +2 aggro spew monkey - calls
V3 $700 MP capable aggro young reg - calls, semibluffs well, attacks orphan pots, bluffs rivers, shovels money in with big hands, calls with odds to draw
V4 $460 Btn young slightly less aggro reg- calls, capable of bluffs, semibluffs, attacks pots, respects position
SB $280 not important calls
Hero $630 in BB w J4 checks

Flop $30
JT2

SB checks
Hero bets $20
V1 calls
V3 calls
V4 raises to $80
SB folds
Hero?

I kinda of don't like you lead on such a aggressive table OOP. As played, Im 4-betting to 225 ready to get it in.

Snap reraise to $240. If he ships, you have a decision, but personally I'm calling given you're getting excellent odds against his range. He shows up with flush draws, straight draws, top pair type hands often enough to make this a good spot to get it in. You are not even close to deep enough to fold in a spot like this to a player of that description.

Agree with The Way. Go for a c/r on this flop.

I'd make a large 3bet here, 250-275. It's hard for for V4 to have a hand here that he's willing to stack off with that we're behind. Bet sizing doesn't make sense with 22/JT on this board against 3 opponents and AJ/KJ are going to raise pre a lot so I'm weighting his range to mostly nutflush draw/combo draws and sometimes top pair+backdoor draw hands trying to get a free turn card like QJx.

I think it's close between leading and check/raising on this board but I generally default to leading because I think I can barrel turns effectively.

How are you in trouble? Reraise all day. Check raise would have been even better.

Calling here feels pretty bad for a variety of reasons:

- There's a lot of $ in the pot already and we're in decent shape vs. his range

- The turn can really hurt us or kill our action when it helps us from hands we're beating

- His range has some draws and made hands in it, and we are going to have no idea what we are up against, leaving us with tough, tough decisions OOP on later streets if we play small ball

- We're going to hate life we someone calls behind us with another draw (straight draws galore in their ranges)

- It's hard to see the other big stack (V3) calling with a good hand here the first time around

- It's very hard to put 2 of the sets in villain's range (JJ and TT) since he didn't raise pre

I think you have to 3 bet here and be willing to get it in if raised.

I would just shove. With a hand like that, you really can't flop much better besides near nut/nut hands. I don't think we're deep enough to call and fold if a blank comes. I'll take my chances.

Yes, a raise is definitely in order however....

I like a raise to 180 with the intent to shove 100% of all non heart turns.

A raise to 180 leaves villain with enough chips to fold to our turn shove (which will look very strong). Also, it allows weak Jx hands to call our raise to reevaluate turn. If V is on a flush draw he still has enough room to come over the top of our flop raise and ofc we have no problem getting it in on flop. Not to say 225 - 240 isn't an okay amount, but if we raise too much we minimize our fold equity on bricked turns. So, I'd like to optimize both our flop equity and fold equity on turn and I think that is best accomplished by raising such that V has greater than 50% of his chips remaining and can fold to a turn shove. Yes, I know he will be pot committed anyway however not all players think like us and I've found that if they aren't vested greater than 50% of their stack they can still fold.

And ofc if we hit heart on turn we can value bet 1/3 - 1/2 pot on turn and river

on the flop OP... call the 60 and raise 200. it's a fairly straight forward play, you may be up against trips but more than likely a weaker Ef draw.

be prepared to call a shove which is an insta-call.

Well my first thought was to lead out and be ready to 3bet and/or shove if field gets narrowed down, but now I see 2 guys called behind me and I am going to get some pretty good real and implied odds to call especially if they come along. This is where I start to get stupid. (Should have stuck to my original plan). I think I played this hand really badly which is why it's here.

His bet size seems really weird to me in a multiway pot if he has TTT(unlikely) JT or 222 and I do think he has a lot of draws in his range.

Another thing I think is do I really wanna get stacks in with a suited flat tire lol especially vs V3 if he somehow has the balls to slow play something big here? I think a 3 bet to like $200 would have probably been best and might have gotten rid of V1 and V2 if they are on draws.

Anyway this is where I start to butcher the hand IMO so enjoy and lets see if we can salvage anything. This is where I think I start to get in trouble, but the hand continues to get interesting.

I decide to call and evaluate. I call, and guess what? V1 and V3 both call. I am mildly surprised. Don't know why. Possibly because I am mildly ******ed(more evidence to follow). I now put them both on draws. V1 on any draw but V3 on a good draw, I think nut flush and or combo draws maybe with a T. V4 I am starting to put on a made hand as I'm running out of draws to put him on. JT 222? AJ?? KJ QJ??

Pot $350
turn 4
giving me 2 pair and probably a worse flush draw

Hero?

I agree this is the kind of flop I want when I play a hand like this

Must shove turn.

With no one else having more than $500, I think I just ship. Not much point to making it less tbh.

+1

I meant on the flop though.

AP it is time to ship it in OTT, there's pretty much no river card except a J or 4 that you like

I'm happy with shoving now but as soon as the "blank" 4 hits board V4 starts kind of reaching for chips then freezes. If this is for real(seems real) he is definitely putting more into the pot.

Can I check here based on my lol live read planning c/shove or should I just shove here into this $350 pot and make sure I get it in?

More importantly, can I screw this hand up any more? Really?

Q: Have you had anything to drink sir?
A: Hero: Only like 4-5 rum and cokes occiffer.

If we're against a set - which we have two blockers to - we're still 13/45 to win OTR. We're roughly the same against J10. If we're against a higher flush draw, they're only 7/45 to win. If we're against TPTK, they're on a two-outer.

Ginormous pot and the stacks you're against have just the right amount behind to make them consider calling with worse to a shove. Let's get it in and run good!

5 actually, if the T paired our 4s would be counterfeited and their kicker would play. Just nitpicking.

Gotta ship that turn.

I would have 3bet the flop as well, but you can't ask for a much better turn card. I just ship the turn. Its a PSB that pretty much puts 2/3 others all in.

I would highly discount sets and top two by V1, V3 because they are raising these hands on the flop. V4 is not likely to bet again 4 way. Given the other two called I think your FD is covered so I wouldn't count on a heart being good for your hand.

Yeah shipping turn, letting this get checked through is bad,

Against some villains I think we can 3bet the flop to like 200 and then get them to fold Jx by shipping the turn. I like a 3bet jam/big raise to maximize FE against a range that probably has decent equity against our hand.

Played badly whole hand so why stop now. I am totally convinced by my lol live read that V4 is betting, so I check without too much thinking obv.

pot $350
V1 check
V3 check
V4 bets like like @250 leaving like $135 behind?? No clue what that bet means but I planned on check shoving so I do.

I pause for about 20 secs and shove to $565(so I guess I must have started with $650 not $630 now that I add it up.)
V2 folds quickly
V3 takes a long long time to fold
V4 not happy ? but calls and flips 22(he should be fist pumping)

River a 7 and I scoop this Sh##tshow of mine.

V3 is like "damn folded nut flush draw!"

I played the hand so bad it hurts. Poor flop play then hideous turn. Really I should have just shoved turn and would have been more sure of folding out bigger flush draw which I put V1 or V3 on for sure.

I really got lucky the way it played out but I was really sure V4 was gonna bet again and I thought I was either ahead of him or had a lot of equity vs him.

Still even if I'm sure he is going to bet I think I should just shove that turn first to act and make people give up some of their significant equity or pay too much for it. I don't like to get results oriented at all so I wanted to go over this hand which I knew I F#### d up start to finish.

I can live with not 3 betting/getting in on the flop as I think if anyone calls I'm in bad shape (although small 3 bet is clearly better) but I think I have to shove that turn there no matter what. Thanks for confirming that guys. Hope you all enjoyed this disaster. Less drinking tonight for sure. No really, I mean it this time!

raise, call

oh, wait, just realized the thread was over with...