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01-20-2014 , 01:20 PM

jay_got_JJ's

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 665

Hero B $540: asain male, mid 20's. recently got a table transfer into this game. haven't been too active thus far, due to lack of cards. tight aggressive image so far, through roughly 3-4 orbits at this table.

Villain Sb $1100: white male, between 35-40yrs of age or so. tight aggressive image. played with him maybe once or twice in the past, and villain seems fairly competent.

Preflop $14 (co posted after missing blinds)
utg limp
utg+1 limp
co checks option
hero raises to $35 Q

villain 3bets to $80
folds to hero, who makes the call

Flop $182 10

villain checks
hero bets $100
villain calls

Turn $382 3

villain leads $110
hero ?

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01-20-2014 , 01:26 PM

Garick

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26,514

Weird line. Seems like he's either setting a price or inducing. I don't see much that 3-bet pre that could be setting a price but AsKs. Inducing could be sets (does he 3-bet 99 or TT, though) and overs.

Bleh, if we call here, we're committed. Still, this is about the best board we could ask for. I prob call and call it off on any non A, K, or spade river. Not excited about it though.

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01-20-2014 , 01:30 PM

TheStuntman

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,390

I'd jam turn with my remaining chips.

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01-20-2014 , 01:44 PM

Dubey

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,844

yeah I'm jamming turn here too.

Board is wet. Your raise preflop looks like a squeeze, especially with the CO posting $5. He could be re-squeezing with a looser than normal 4-bet range. Plus his line is weird and we only have 100 bbs. Too many unknown variables to fold here in my opinion.

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01-20-2014 , 01:51 PM

peckx063

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 412

I feel like almost his entire range is ahead of us. You figure a tight player 3-betting oop is 99+/AK. We beat JJ, but it's super unlikely JJ would check such a favorable flop for his hand. The one combo of AK he could have is drawing at 15 outs, and again it's super unlikely he flopped a NFD with 2 overs to the board and went c/c. What's left is 99/TT/KK/AA.

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01-20-2014 , 01:56 PM

ATsai

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2,409

Call turn to shove most rivers for value.

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01-20-2014 , 02:10 PM

farrique

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 146

Such a weird line and bet sizing. Flop check call, lead turn can make sense with KK and AA but turn lead is so small. WA/WB situation here. What type of hands with can squeeze and need to cheap river and showdown? 88 and JJ with non spade AK? Thinking that he will definitely lead or check/raise with spade AK on the flop.

Yes we are committed if we call. I'm jamming here too. Your hand is too strong for folding on this board. If he has AA or KK, just coolered.

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01-20-2014 , 02:14 PM

Stacking Chips

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 970

Time bank jam the turn.

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01-20-2014 , 02:49 PM

ShowdownValue

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 413

Looks like a blocker bet. Call turn, call any non A, K, or spade river.

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01-20-2014 , 02:53 PM

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trucdouf

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Bet sizing is awkward.

Feels like a blocker bet given his line. But, it could also very well be a set betting for value.

If you think V will 3bet PF light, I'd jam the turn. If you think he's FOS and did this with an AK like hand, flat turn and ship any river not an overcard.

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01-20-2014 , 02:57 PM

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jay_got_JJ's

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 665

yeah villain's line is very awkward here. my plan is similar to a few of you guys who posted above. which was to call turn, and call any non A,K, or spade rivers. thought about jamming ott, but not really sure if i can get a call from worse, except AKss exactly, or maybe JJ although very unlikely

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01-20-2014 , 03:06 PM

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Mr. August

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 154

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Originally Posted by Stacking Chips

Time bank jam the turn.

Stuff like this is why I come here for laughs. Live poker is such a goldmine

Jamming turn is the worst answer possible. You fold out all bluffs that could barrel river and only get called by better. This is the definition of clueless button mashing which equals spew

Call turn, re-evaluate V on river based on history / math etc

Class dismissed

My 2cents

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01-20-2014 , 03:09 PM

#13

ShowdownValue

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Originally Posted by Mr. August

Don't tap the glass

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01-20-2014 , 03:14 PM

#14

trucdouf

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Originally Posted by ShowdownValue

Don't tap the glass

Don't splash the pot!

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01-20-2014 , 04:47 PM

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TheStuntman

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,390

Why just the call and reevaluate river line? I understand a turn call if hero's plan is to call any river and just let villain hand hero money, but to call turn only to reevaluate the river with an SPR of .5, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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01-20-2014 , 05:00 PM

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BeauVanny

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 198

Call. You have him beat a lot here. I expect to see Axss from V a lot here.

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01-20-2014 , 05:04 PM

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peckx063

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 412

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Originally Posted by TheStuntman

+a mirrion

Only reasonable options are Fold/Shove/CallandAlwaysCallRiver

Say a King hits. How much of his range included Kings anyway? 1 combo of AsKs. What about an Ace hitting? Okay so the same 1 combo and then maybe he has AT? What if a spade hits? You holding the Q

kind of takes the wind out of the "he has a fd" sail. There isn't a card in the deck that is going to come off that is going to make this a call ott but a fold otr.

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01-20-2014 , 05:09 PM

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Superman1

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,556

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Originally Posted by Mr. August

This is only good advice if villain will continue with his bluffs on river. If villain will shut it down when he misses, as most recs will, I think shoving turn is best.

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