Hi all, was hoping for some advice on this spot....


2-5NL, live at the bellagio. Villain had recent sat down, no history other than he wasn't a fish.. seemed reggish through observing him very briefly.

I'm in BB with $450 (90 bbs), villain SB covers. 9 handed.

Action...

Co limps $5, SB raises to $20, hero 3B to $60 in BB, Co folds, SB 4B to $140, Hero.....?

Thanks for any advice

... As mentioned in title, hero holds QQ

Grab his cards and throw into the muck

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In this particular spot a reg is going to give you credit for a strong range because...

1) you're getting a good price to call but you cold-3bet him with a limper still to act behind you even though...

2) ...he elected to raise a limper from OOP when he could have completed and mostly seen a very cheap flop so he knows you know he probably has a strong iso range and...

3) ...you're unknown to each other

That means he's likely committed with his entire 4bet range here which in turn means he's very strong.

Unless he's getting it in with JJ+ AK or wider we're losing money if we commit to this pot. If he's as tight as QQ+ we're losing a lot of money committing to this pot.

I think I'd let this one go and then keep an eye on this new Villain's tendencies when facing 3bets and I'd bear in mind he is possibly going to think we're 3betting light if we fold here, particularly if we fold quickly.

I don't like this advice at all. We have fold equity as he can still fold JJ and AK. If he calls with one of those hands we don't mind that either. He could be as light as AQ or even lighter being in the SB. This is a pretty clear 5bet jam spot imo.

Ralphykid: Villain has put in 1/3rd of effective stacks - I don't think he plans on folding.

What do you think villain puts hero on when hero 3bets?

Hero can have something like TT+, AJs+, AQo+, and an occasional bluff with something like A5s

I would sigh jam, fold JJ

If you want to be a nit just call and commit on non A non K flops. I understand we underrealize our equity and win the least versus AK but sometimes he will rip with AK and we actually gain equity (i think we are 3:1 otf if he misses) in that case which helps us some. We also will hit a set sometimes. And we are in position and sometimes opponent will give us free cards or make other mistakes. If our opponent ever shows up with a bluff here calling is good too. Let him hit a gutshot or 1 pair and shove flop...

Also just looking at the configuration villain could easily have light 4bets since a co limper 100% is a fish and SB could easily be trying to iso (even from SB) and interpret your 3bet as a steal...

This is an awful spot. It’s decision time now, because you’ll have one PSB left on the flop, and barring something like AKX you’re never really getting away. I think in a vacuum you need to 5! ship here, with QQ the bottom of your range for doing so.

The much lower variance play, obviously, is to fold. FWIW, if you do, i would give a goofy grin and say something like “I guess you ACTUALLY have a hand then huh” and tap the table with a “very nice bet sir, good hand”. Try to give the impression you were getting frisky with AT or something.


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I must be an awful nit because I fold here. Without further info on villain, I'm putting him on hands that mostly have you crushed. It's close and it sux, but I fold.

Thanks for the replies.... . Of course I jammed and I don't need to say what villain had 😣

Best strat advice, seen to date, on this forum!

People in 2/5 don't easily 4bet light, especially an unknown from the SB. Unless the OP has reads on this specific SB, he should give him a default range of AA or KK unless he's seen him 4bet light in this spot before (and when he puts in about a third of his effective stack, it only confirms it). Competent players don't 4bet light with a third of their stack and fold to a jam. If he shows up with JJ, AK, or other hands we crush then so be it but this is usually aces.