Villain1 utg+1 : white female between 30-40 years old. fairly competent player. have some experience playing her in the past, and she's pretty solid.

Villain2 mp1 : older white male between 50-60 years old. laggy image so far

Hero mp2 : young asian male in mid 20's. tag image so far


This is a brand new 2/5nl game, just about an orbit or two into the game. Effective stack is $500.


Preflop $7
V1 opens to $20
V2 3bets to $40
H ? QQ

raise to 100

4b to $130ish

If v2 is laggy, he could find a call with a lot of worse hands.

I hate flatting his 3b because it encourages someone to call behind with something speculative and also v1 is never folding. So were definitely going 3-4+ to the flop which I hate with QQ.

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Fold, very likely you are a coin flip or worse. Wait for a better situation. Watch the hand and get a read on the players.

No

This is a min 3bet by v2. Could easily be 99-JJ, AQs. Obviously V1 is way wider and we're crushing her range. Folding is terrible.

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+1 4-bet to 90-110ish and watch what happens next. Hate flatting here for exactly what Duke said.

Run the math on that and you will realize that even against 99+, AQ+, KQs, AJs you are only a 59% favorite and that's already a pretty wide 3bet range.
You really only have 3 options here and I think it's close either way. You can fold (kind of nitty but marginally -ev at worst), you can flat and play post flop or you can 4bet fold to 80-90. 4betting any bigger gets him to fold all hands you crush and only continue with QQ+ and maybe AK.

Two things that also lean me to believe he has a big hand here. He is practically min 3betting pre which is often a sign of a big pocket pair. Also a lot of aggro players raise a lot of hands pre obviously but many of them actually have a pretty narrow 3betting range especially when others don't raise that often pre

4bet/fold seems pretty rough. We're essentially bluffing and in that case our hand being QQ is irrelevant.

Calling is slightly better than folding imo

It's not bluffing for two reasons. We're 4betting small for value because we expect to get called by a lot worse and we expect to be ahead of his 3bet range. We fold to a 5bet as we expect to be crushed by his 5bet range. Also we're 4betting to isolate villain 2 and not give villain 1 a chance to set mine

+1. Although I think the most common result after we 3bet to $100-$120 is that we take it down preflop (this is probably like, the 50-60% case). Followed by getting called (30% ish), and last is getting reraised (10% ish). Numbers aren't meant to be exact, more illustrative.

I agree if we expect to get called by worse a lot of the time. Hard to say if that's true though.

What do you think his 3bet/'call our 4bet but not jam' range is?

If he's folding -- JJ, TT, AQ, AJs, AQs,
Calling with -- AK and AKs
Jamming with -- KK and AA

Then 4betting QQ makes no sense. If those aren't his ranges (i.e. he calls with JJ) then we can make a case for 4betting.

click it back for $60 and watch the world burn.

But for a serious answer, I don't think anyone's calling a ton of 4 bets with anything we're ahead of. A raise from you here looks super strong, I'd say call and reeval flop unless you have reason to believe someone will call with worse. FWIW I'm folding 0% of the time in this spot.

edit: Duke does have a good point though, we don't want to face multiple opponents with QQ unless we view it as just flop top set and hope to play for stacks pot. I still think calling is okay as you will still have the only worth hand worth cbetting on a lot of flops. cbetting into 3-4 opponents is okay on dry boards (J or below obv) IMO, unlikely one of them will step out of line with reraise unless they really have it.