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2/5NL - Middle Two Pair IP (Round 2) 2/5NL - Middle Two Pair IP (Round 2)

05-19-2013 , 10:15 PM
Hero (covers) - Late 20s/early 30s looking white dude. I have a mountain of chips in front of me, most of which is the product of two large pots with an aggro, tilted semi-reg. In general, I've been the table nit, but early on in the session I had SOSA invoked when I flashed 7-high to the aforementioned tilter in a 3bet 4way flop when I 3bet + cbet and he was the original raiser and last to fold the flop.

Villain ($450) - Middle aged white dude. Ran really good early on in the session (he was already here when I sat down about 8 hours beforehand) and was up to about $2k. Tended to bleed chips by calling off too much with draws and marginal made hands, and would then nonsensically spaz out as soon as he realized he was doing so.

The game is down to 4handed and everyone is racking up in preparation of quitting (except Hero). This is the last hand before the table is going to break. There is no SB.

2/5NL - 4handed

UTG and CO fold, Hero raises T8 OTB to 20, Villain calls 20.

Flop: ($36) KT8
Villain checks, Hero bets $30, Villain calls.

Turn: ($93) 4
Villain checks, Hero bets $80, Villain raises to $185, Hero calls.

River ($463) J
Villain shoves for $235, Hero...

Villain was already standing up preparing to grab a rack as the hand was dealt. He looked at his cards and declared "alright, I'll play this last one". I'm pretty sure he'd dump rags to me, so his hand probably has some decent ranking PF.

When I was counting out my bet OTT, Villain was still standing and said "don't get too frisky now", which IMO is a sign of a marginal hand that didn't want to call but probably would. I added a bit more onto my bet at that point and slid it in. His raise took about 30 seconds, and it looked like he was mainly considering calling. After his raise, I tanked for maybe 40 seconds because it was pretty late and I didn't really know how to process everything in such a marginal spot.

OTR, his shove was pretty quick, but he still physically seemed rather uncomfortable with the whole predicament.
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05-19-2013 , 10:29 PM
Probably snapping this off all things considered but not too surprised if we lose either...

I mean all the hesitation leads away from a flopped flush.. But if he rvred the straight w.e. i dont really see a set possible here as played

Did he have a bigger 2 pair?

Last edited by Oddhalo; 05-19-2013 at 10:34 PM.
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05-19-2013 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PoppaTMan

When I was counting out my bet OTT, Villain was still standing and said "don't get too frisky now", which IMO is a sign of a marginal hand that didn't want to call but probably would.
I dunno, I tend to see these kinds of speeches as "reverse instigation" Most in this forum lol at live reads but this one in particular would have paused me. I mean it could totally be genuine too which is the level.

Like, I see it every time, villain will say "not too much now, I might call $50" Hero bets $70. Villain snap ships. lol

As for the hand, the decision is ott. He has to jam his missed combo draws otr, pretty sure I'm calling once I've gotten there, but honestly I probably fold turn.

I mean he may just be "getting rid of the last of it" as a lot of players do once they've gone down a bit and and are getting ready to leave.

We are 4 handed, so 2pr is a monster. Tough spot.
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05-19-2013 , 11:40 PM
In my experience his turn play is almost never a bluff. He seems pretty Level 1 and I would imagine if he were to ever run a c/r bluff or semi-bluff it would be on flop. I think he has draws and air very very rarely here. It's actually difficult for me to find ways we are winning on the turn. Flopped flush or a binked K4 are really the only hands that make a lot of sense on V's line. Maybe, just maybe he is playing T4 or 84?

Obviously, once the turn call decision is made you have to call off a 1/2 psb on all non-diamond/K/4 rivers
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05-20-2013 , 11:07 AM
I think the turn is a fold a lot. Do you think he's bluffing here that often?
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05-20-2013 , 11:17 AM
call because you have "a mountain of chips". hope they're not all white.
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05-20-2013 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by peckx063
In my experience his turn play is almost never a bluff. He seems pretty Level 1 and I would imagine if he were to ever run a c/r bluff or semi-bluff it would be on flop. I think he has draws and air very very rarely here. It's actually difficult for me to find ways we are winning on the turn. Flopped flush or a binked K4 are really the only hands that make a lot of sense on V's line. Maybe, just maybe he is playing T4 or 84?

Obviously, once the turn call decision is made you have to call off a 1/2 psb on all non-diamond/K/4 rivers
I'm pretty sure he's dumping K4/T4/84 PF, since it's the last hand. He was loose, but not loose enough to go HU with me OOP with those hands.

He wasn't really a talker during hands he was in for the 8 or so hours we played. And IME, the "don't get too frisky" and other variants like it are generally marginal hands. I don't think we played a single big pot together the entire night, so it's not like we had some dynamic where I was trying to run him off of hands.

I agree that the turn decision is really the important point in the hand, which is why it took me so long.
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