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2-5NL Mid set, wet board, facing aggression (3rd hand of the series) 2-5NL Mid set, wet board, facing aggression (3rd hand of the series)

03-30-2013 , 12:53 PM
Full table. Was loose pretty passive table with several weak fish, getting more aggro lately as good LAG villain is amping it up. 1 very good LAGish reg. couple OK regs.


Hero UTG $1380 40's white, been at table bout 2 1/2 hours had been playing tight, overlimped few times with spec hands. Opened a few times and cbet and took it down HU or 3way. Last 1 hour though much more active. Got stacked 1 hr ago when I check/overshoved about $600 on combo draw, had 56 on a 346 board, into preflop bettor's cbet after everyone else folded(hand posted a couple of days ago). Rebought $500 picked up QQ 2 hands later and 3bet and took pot down with bets on flop and turn. Doubled up 15 min ago when I turned nut straight with 56 in BB and 3bet overbet pot and called a shove by 2nd nut straight(hand also posted). Pretty aggro dynamic going at table now in general past hour. Am up to $1380

V1 UTG +1 $3300 very good on TAG side of LAG reg, aggressive, cbets high %, double barrels some, 3 bets light, stacked me calling with QQ overpair in aforementioned hand vs my combo draw(I turned 2 pair he rivered top set),saw him 4 bet all in for 80BB effective w 99 vs AA and rivered a 9 so can spew a bit especially if he feels he is flipping, shoved a pair and flush draw at a 100 BB stack and won also. He's most of the aggro dynamic here.

V2 UTG+2 $550 decent reg, 50ish woman, pretty tight, little bit passive. Loose preflop. I stacked her in the 56 vs A5 hand

V3 Btn $500 just sat down, mid 20's, never seen him so best guess he's a rec. player, All I know.

V4 SB $1220 meh/weak rec player, limp calls a bunch, passive stationy fish, fit fold but sticky if he has a piece. Has won a couple pots where he chased and caught 2 pair. Paid too much to catch a straight too I think to stack someone.

Hero UTG+1 $1380 QQ opens for $30
V1 UTG +1 $3300 calls
V2 UTG+2 $550 calls
V3 Btn $500 calls
V4 SB $1220 calls

Pot $150
Flop AQT

V4 leads out $80
Hero? I'm inclined to just flat here as I have a donk bettor in front and 3 Villains behind, all of whom unfortunately have KJ in their ranges lol. Not inclined to bloat pot yet before I have some more info. Too nitty?

Small donk bet is usually not the strongest hand, but you never know here betting out into 4 people. I'm more worried about everyone behind me.

In favor of 3 betting here: Small donk bet from fish usually is weak. He may be pricing his draws. I'm way ahead of sets(just TTT really as no one has AAA here) and 2 pairs, though. I'd want to puke though if V1 wanted to play for stacks because I know he'd do this with combo straight and flush draws as well as TTT and KJ. Reraise however gets a lot of money in from draws and weaker hands before a scare card comes off.

Thoughts?
2-5NL Mid set, wet board, facing aggression (3rd hand of the series) Quote
03-30-2013 , 01:19 PM
Hero raises to $300.
2-5NL Mid set, wet board, facing aggression (3rd hand of the series) Quote
03-30-2013 , 01:20 PM
Raise to $300.
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03-30-2013 , 01:30 PM
Btw, you should never be afraid if v1 wants to play for stacks here. If your range is right, you're printing money.
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03-30-2013 , 01:41 PM
The range isn't right. That's the problem.

There's 16 combos of KJ and 3 combos of TTT, 1 KT, 1 K9, 1 JT, 1 J9,1 T9, 1 T8 How low do you think we can go with these? We're big dogs to his 16 KJ hands and OK favs to his flush/straight draws and a big fav to his 3 TTT.

Even if I discount 1/3 of his KJ hands(which is too much I think, then I have to discount J8s and K9s) you try to find me the equity to get all-in vs him for 270 BB. It's not there.

BTW I think $300 here is too big. It opens up our stack and a raise to $250-260 accomplishes the same thing and denies odds well as flushes have only 7 outs and even flush/straight combos only 11.

Last edited by crackleback; 03-30-2013 at 01:47 PM.
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03-30-2013 , 01:47 PM
Raise. Flatting is terrible.
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03-31-2013 , 01:02 PM
Hero UTG+1 $1380 QQ opens for $30
V1 UTG +1 $3300 calls
V2 UTG+2 $550 calls
V3 Btn $500 calls
V4 SB $1220 calls

Pot $150
Flop AQT

V4 leads out $80
Hero raises to $250
V1 V2 V3 all fold
V4 calls

Pot $650
Turn 7
V1 checks
Hero?
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03-31-2013 , 03:30 PM
raising 350 otf against a station who leads out. this way turn shove isn't a massive over bet
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03-31-2013 , 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crackleback
Hero UTG+1 $1380 QQ opens for $30
V1 UTG +1 $3300 calls
V2 UTG+2 $550 calls
V3 Btn $500 calls
V4 SB $1220 calls

Pot $150
Flop AQT

V4 leads out $80
Hero raises to $250
V1 V2 V3 all fold
V4 calls

Pot $650
Turn 7
V1 checks
Hero?
Bet $500
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03-31-2013 , 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fogodchao
raising 350 otf against a station who leads out. this way turn shove isn't a massive over bet
Yeah this is what my problem is now. 325-350 would have set up a turn shove much much better.

I kept the raise small as I was still a bit worried about the 3 Villains, especially the 1 really good deep aggro player to act behind me, before the fish and now I have a weird stack size and can't really shove here. If I knew they were all folding $350ish is the way to go

Sizing now? $400 or $450, more??
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03-31-2013 , 10:16 PM
I'd go 450 to deny direct odds to a combo draw. There is nothing wrong with winning the pot right here. If he calls off a combo draw and misses, so much the better, but I want to make sure he is making a mistake if he does.

Call any shove on turn, shove any safe river if he calls turn.
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04-02-2013 , 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crackleback
Hero UTG+1 $1380 QQ opens for $30
V1 UTG +1 $3300 calls
V2 UTG+2 $550 calls
V3 Btn $500 calls
V4 SB $1220 calls

Pot $150
Flop AQT

V4 leads out $80
Hero raises to $250
V1 V2 V3 all fold
V4 calls

Pot $650
Turn 7
V1 checks
Hero bets $460
Villain calls

Pot $1570
River 2

Villain checks
Hero moves all-in
Villain pretty much snap calls about $480 left

Villain has AT top and bottom pair
I think place where I may have done better is making a bigger flop raise giving me a better shove spot on turn. But my main concern was just getting it all in and pricing out the draws pretty well so no complaints.


Thx for the discussion.
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