2/5NL Full ring in vegas.Villian seems a young semi-loose recreational player who wears sun glasses and plays lots of hands in position.Hero has no history with him at all.Villian raises to $20 from UTG 1,CO calls,hero raises to $100 with two black Kings in sb.Villian slowly grabs chips and 4bet to $375,co folds,hero ? Villian has $1900 and hero around $1200. This is the first 4bet so far at this table since i moved here 3 hours ago.Whats your game plan?Fold,call or 5bet?If we call,we must stack off on any non-ace flop,right?I want to hear any thoughts from you guys.

Tough spot. You're right that if we call we can't fold postflop any non-ace flop.

Hard to see villain doing this w/QQ or less OOP. Any feel for if villain would do this w/AK?

In retrospect: when deep 3bet KK smaller IP to ~60. If he 4bets this then the pot size doesn't escalate as fast. It's easy to say now but plan ahead as in "if I 3bet to 100 what would I do if he 4bets?"
I think we all know this but in the heat of battle we get excited and most of our thoughts are "I wonder if he'll fold" or "how will I play this when he calls" instead of "what if he 4bets big".

Hard to fold KK here but depending on read I might find a fold this deep

Shove or fold. I lean heavily towards fold here. 100bb deep you can't really fold but you are 240bb deep. Even against a range of QQ+, AK+ we are only a 57% favorite. So foldin is at worst a small mistake. More likely, his range looks a lot like KK+ and we are about a 23% underdog. Fold and offer to pay him to see his hand.

Your sizing is way too big pre and looks like you are scared to play post flop. 3bet to $60 to $75 pre

Side note: There is a 23% chance of an ace flopping.

ughh...Id like to think I would find a fold here unless Icould somehow justify in my mind that the V would 4 bet light here...is he table bully? Do you believe he may think he could push you off the hand? A Sick play by V, because (in his mind) you only can call with Aces so a lot of your premium hands would find a fold here if you have been tight.....so maybe his weak hand couldnt stand a flop and he played it this way looking for a fold or shutting down with a reraise/call?

If you think he believes he wanta a fold from you here and is doing this with a weaker holding, you could shove or even smooth call and put the V in a real tricky spot.....however postflop plan would be crucial

What type of image did you have at the table? I feel like a 5 bet is more correct than a fold here but i think calling is out of the question. If you 5 bet and get called i play it really slow and check fold if an A hits...Even though it was the first 4 bet does not mean he has AA here...If you were 3 betting alot or more often than the other players i would def 4 bet you here especially in position with a wider range of hands then we are giving villian credit for.......keep this thread going i want to hear alot of input

I don't see how you can fold although more information definitely has to be given.

Is this your first 3-bet? Villain has $1900, are they all in red chips? How many green/black chips does he have? What chips did he use to put in the $375? What are the reads on CO?

You say you've been playing at the table for 3 hours, which is roughly 100 hands. You should have a bevy of information on Villain (more information than what you are giving us).

Yup,i have a clean tight image and 3bet him for the first time.Early on,villian saw me isolate a lp limper in BT with 35s and take down that pot with bd flush.He has lots of $100 bills and just throws in a few bills when he 4bet.I dont know why he 4bet this much?Do you guys think that he wants me to fold by 4bet with AK and QQ?

If i was in this position i would 5 bet....if i get jammed on its an easy fold imo...if my 5 bet gets called im def still slowplaying

and i dont think you need to stack off on a non a flop either with 90 something bb

ok,i chose to flat call his 4bet.
Flop($750): 8h 3h 2s hero checks,villian only bets $300,what the **** this means?Does he induce my shove or not?

IMO flatting is where you made your mistake however it could play into your favor cuz now he might have you on a wider hand range i dont think he puts you on KK here maybe AK AQs QQ maybeee JJ but i would jam at this point "ALL IN" if he has AA its a cold deck it happens

Tank shove now.

Too late to fold. If villain has AK we're not getting any more from him by flatting/getting tricky.

Hope for QQ/JJ/TT

I don't think flatting is bad.

Do you think if you led small on this flop (like 200-250), he would shove?

I dont think he has balls to bluff me with AK by shoving over my small donk bet.His large 4bet pre is definitely not bluffing IMO.This small cbet does smell like AA though.

More info on V needed. If you call, have a plan on the flop. I could only justify shoving pre if the V was really loose, drunk or a maniac.