$2/5NL decision with KK - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy Live No-Limit Hold’em Cash

$2/5NL decision with KK

Post Reply Subscribe

...

11-09-2018 , 09:58 PM

godzi11a

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 18

$2/5NL 1k max game 10-handed.

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, LJ limps, btn limps, Hero in SB with K

and makes it $40 (first mistake, should've made it more). BB + everyone calls.

6-way to a flop of A

Hero ($900 eff) checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 (reg, splashy but competent, $720 eff) bets $300 into pot of $240. Folds around.

Hero?

Quote

11-09-2018 , 10:10 PM

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Ship.

Just lead flop first time around.

Quote

11-09-2018 , 10:14 PM

godzi11a

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 18

Yeah, plan was to x/r flop but the $300 was such a weird bet with his stack size.

Quote

11-09-2018 , 10:56 PM

ChrisV

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 40,336

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Ship.

Just lead flop first time around.

/thread

Quote

11-10-2018 , 05:14 AM

hyperknit

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 2,692

I’m all in

Quote

11-10-2018 , 05:23 AM

winadil

adept

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 808

Preflop
I guess a little more but it really depends on table.
It isnt the worst thing in the world as long as you are balancing it out with other non premium hands
After you get one or 2 callers the rest are coming along.
Flop
I Dont like the check/raise line on this flop just too much chance that it gets checked around and a free card gets taken
You are never folding here so might as well rip it in
As played am check raising here expect to get it in against a lot of combo draws amd the occasional straight

Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk

Quote

11-10-2018 , 05:24 AM

hyperknit

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 2,692

Quote:

Originally Posted by winadil

We’re usually against a straight

Quote

11-10-2018 , 05:33 AM

WereBeer

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,700

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Ship.

Just lead flop first time around.

Quote

11-11-2018 , 10:24 AM

godzi11a

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 18

We shoved, V snapped with QJos and brick brick.

We’re obviously never folding this spot right?

Quote

11-11-2018 , 10:40 AM

#10

MikeStarr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

The word "effective" doesnt mean what you think it means. Effective is basically the smallest stack. You cant have a $900 effective stack and a $720 effective stack..ect

Quote

11-11-2018 , 01:42 PM

#11

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Quote:

Originally Posted by godzi11a

We shoved, V snapped with QJos and brick brick.

We’re obviously never folding this spot right?

No dude cmon now.

Quote

11-11-2018 , 05:24 PM

#12

HomelessPizza

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 599

Quote:

Originally Posted by godzi11a

We shoved, V snapped with QJos and brick brick.

We’re obviously never folding this spot right?

Man what a juicy game! Where is this?

PF, when bb calls the 40 NTA, I don't think there is any reasonable sizing that narrows the field in this game. You could have made it 60 and if bb calls, you are still getting a cascade of callers.

AP, straight cooler. Sure he could have QJ or hands with tons of equity like JTcc, but he could just as easily have all the unsuited combos of AT or KT that we are crushing.

Quote

11-12-2018 , 08:27 PM

#13

godzi11a

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomelessPizza

This was an afternoon weekday game @ Casino Niagara in NF, Canada.

Quote

11-13-2018 , 01:21 PM

#14

canadiasian

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 227

I played a similar hand against a Villain I play with a lot - very tight and straightforward. 3! range in SB/BB is very narrow (QQ+). I overcalled with JTos specifically to stack AA/KK/QQ if I get a perfect flop (flop came AKQ and Villain had KK).

If he is a competent reg and knows your SB/BB 3! range, he is calling with 2 broadway cards specifically to stack your kind of hand and isn't leading out with that sizing with anything but the nuts.

The question is, how wide does Villain think your SB/BB 3! range is?

Quote

11-13-2018 , 06:40 PM

#15

bodybuilder32

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,423

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiasian

I played a similar hand against a Villain I play with a lot - very tight and straightforward. 3! range in SB/BB is very narrow (QQ+). I overcalled with JTos specifically to stack AA/KK/QQ if I get a perfect flop (flop came AKQ and Villain had KK).

If he is a competent reg and knows your SB/BB 3! range, he is calling with 2 broadway cards specifically to stack your kind of hand and isn't leading out with that sizing with anything but the nuts.

The question is, how wide does Villain think your SB/BB 3! range is?

This wasn't a 3-bet.

You called a 3-bet against a nit with JTo? Wait, didn't you just make a thread calling a 3-bet with 86ss and trying to bluff a nit off a set?

You should brush up on some fundamentals. Just because you know the guy has an overpair doesn't mean you should be shoveling $ in the pot trying to play poker like it's a slot machine.....

Quote

11-13-2018 , 06:53 PM

#16

jdr0317

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 8,231

Against that crazy bet size, we're probably still a small favorite. Even against a flopped straight, we're almost 35%. Don't worry about the result.

Quote

11-13-2018 , 07:07 PM

#17

canadiasian

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 227

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodybuilder32

Sorry, my mistake. I meant his raising range out of SB/BB.

My 3! call with JTos was $6 into $30, 3-way, with me on the button and closing the action and BB being the aggressor.

I disagree about the overpair statement. If you know somebody has a specific hand, wouldn't you want to go for implied odds? If an OMC raises and you know it's AA or KK, what's the difference between calling with a pocket pair to set mine vs with 87ss hoping to just smash the flop or eject? I guess one hand has slightly better odds to win than the other?

Obviously this is assuming you get paid enough to cover all the losses during the times you don't smash the flop.

Quote

11-13-2018 , 07:15 PM

#18

bodybuilder32

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,423

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiasian

Yeah sets are going to hit way more frequently (1 in every 7.5) while two pair is 1 in 22 and flushes and straights is like 1 in 100. Plus sets are more disguised then straights and flushes so they extract more value from a nit.

Just because you know someone is holding an overpair doesn't mean you can outplay them if they aren't going to fold their hand post flop.

You are spewing money right now trying to outdraw on your opponents. You have to leave the "Gamble! Gamble!" mindset behind or you become no different than the Bacarrat players gambling in the pits.

Quote

11-13-2018 , 07:17 PM

#19

josofo

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 653

i had a similar hand where i 3 bet someone and floped a set of queens. when flop came villians jumped up from the table, raised his eyebrows as if too say can't belief i am this lucky, then pounded the table then said all in.

i of course still called it off like the donkey i am and he had a-j for the straight.

Quote

11-13-2018 , 07:32 PM

#20

PFunkaliscious

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 3,061

looks like QJ all day. I suppose you could make an argument for AT or KT, but V really looks like he is trying to dodge clubs with a strong hand.

Not really getting the right price against QJ, but if you throw in the odd flush draws and two pairs that V might have, I suppose a shove would be about neutral EV.

Quote

11-13-2018 , 11:39 PM

#21

twitcherroo

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 2,483

If he shows you the QJ you're damn near even money to call anyways..... The only logic is not jamming is if you're somehow trying to get additional callers and then jamming every turn anyways. Sometimes you just need the board to pair. Easy game. Though I would have led the flop, hand was played fine. No worries on the result. V likely play TT and AK and maybe AT the same way, you have way more then enough equity against V's shoving range.

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...