Hero ($850): Late 20's reg, just sat down about 30 minutes ago, only played a couple hands so far and haven't shown down anything yet. Folded almost every hand so far, and the only hand I raise pre was to $35 on button with TT after a few limps and an old lady in SB made it $105 while she was on the phone, so I just folded. I'll assume she had the nuts.

V1 ($700): Late 40's early 50's, looks like defintion of a whale, loose dress shirt, buys in with $500 chips, playing almost every hand, seems to have no concept of relative hand strength. Earlier hand goes limp, V1 limp, V2 raise to $45 (trying to iso V1 I assume), three calls. Flop JJ2 checked around, turn 3 and another limper leads $150, V1 shoves $800, others fold, limper calls with KQ and V1 just has J7o. Any solid player would have known the limper's range is flushes and bigger Jx only.

V2 ($1500): One of the best 2/5 players in town, capable of running big bluffs, making thin value bets and tough calls, mixes up his play very well, hard to range.

Table is 7-handed. Hero UTG, V1 in SB, V2 in BB. Hero dealt AK and raises to $20, three people call, V1 calls, v2 calls.

Flop ($120): A94

V1 checks, V2 leads $60, hero calls, folds to V1 who calls

I assume v2 has Ax here and plans on shutting down if I call as the PFR since he probably recognizes my UTG raising range and then calling range on this flop in a 6-way pot is mostly AK/AQ/AJs/99/44

Turn ($300): 5

V1 checks, V2 checks, hero bets $120 (planning on folding to c/r from V2), V1 quickly shoves all-in for $620, V2 snap folds. Call or fold?

I don't think we can fold here.

Based on the way he played the J7o hand (i.e. loose l/c pre, check flop with trips, overvalue trips weak kicker when flushes and boats are plausible), it seems like his turn aggression reflects his evaluation of his own absolute hand strength more than anything. Based on that, seems like he can have just about any Ax in his range when he shoves this turn. If he shows up with A5, 32 or 444 I think it's just a cooler.

Guessing this is at Wynn?

This was at Red Rock

These sorta spots are just sick. When we have a spewtarded aggro monkey that overvalues his hands and has no clue about relative strength vs absolute strength (as he has shown in the hand you posted in the OP) we can never fold strong value hands to them.

Against any typical rec-fish this is an easy fold.

But against a spewtarded aggro whale, this is a crying call

His range is literally any Ax as well as two pair combos and sets and a gutter ball straight. But even with all that, Ax is enough of his range so that we are forced to make a crying call I think.

Fold is not terrible though. I think given his range this is probably close to 0EV...

hmmm lets stove it.

As crazy as it sounds, against a range of Ax and sets and gutterballs, we still have the equity to call here

so crying call

Beluga whale anyone?

I think your 1 pair is behind.

With V2 in hand. I am not sure I am betting this turn. If your afraid he can run big bluffs. If we are heads up with V1 then it's betting 3 streets.

We are still getting value on river alot if we check back the turn.

As played. It purely a soul read. Can't realley see a whale over playing a single Ace here. He most likely put you on AK. Or very least put V2 on Ace.

Expect to be beat here, more often than the pot is allowing us to call.

I don't think V2 is going to try to bluff me off my near face-up AK/AQ with these stack sizes. He's capable of bluffing, but not an idiot and probably knows that I'm not folding often on this board texture since he would be repping such a small value range. If V1 just called and then V2 shoved, it would be a much tougher decision since I know he might try to iso V1 with any Ax

Plus you have A of spades. The 9 is a spade. So not probable that he is shoving a pair plus backdoor flush draw.

One thing we have to consider when evaluating our equity against his range is that we often have outs to hit when he is ahead, namely 5 outs against 54 (and I would input 54o rather than 54s since he played J7o in the previous hand), and 3 outs against A9/A4/A5. Having a 6-10% chance when we're wrong does help us out a bit when we're offered 2:1 on our money on the turn.

Also, I think one somewhat important dynamic at play here that I didn't see at first is that we were NOT the aggressor on the flop. So this isn't a textbook BWT situation.

We raised pre, we called a flop donk bet, V1 overcalled. On the turn V1 checks, the donker checks, we bet. It's at least possible that a whale like V1 doesn't see our hand primarily as TPTK. He may think we raise with that hand on the flop. Even though we know that's not a great idea on a dry multiway flop, V1 probably thinks to himself that he would raise the flop donk bet if he had AK. So when the donker checks the turn and we bet, V1 may think to himself that we either have a pocket pair (TT-KK) or called the flop with nothing and are now semi-bluffing with a flush draw/OESD, etc.

Not saying this is definitely his thought process, but just saying that there are ways that he might think TPNK is a nut hand on this turn even though it's obvious to us that TPNK is a very weak turn in this situation.

When stoving, thoughts on adding a dead Ace for V2, and adding 55 to his range? He may call one time (flop) with a pair.

I think this is a fold, sometimes he may do this with a weak ace, but I don't think he does it enough to be a profitable call. wouldn't be surprised if he had 5 a

You're getting about 2:1 on a call that the bad player is shoving something like AQ-AJ or some sort of turned combo draw. Since he's bad I think AK can be good at least 33% of the time so yeah crying call.

I think it's a fold. I don't give the whale any Ax here. He over plays "big" hands. But to some passive players a big hand is 2pr+. They will call down with any Ax here, but I don't think you can assume he x/r any Ax. To make that assumption u need to see him playing overly aggro with one pair hands. But all we saw is him think trips were the nuts. That just means he sucks at poker, not that he is going crazy with any TP

Tough situation and different from the J7o hand in that he CRAI in this spot. Given that action I’d discount AQ- from his range. He may be more likely to overvalue and lead with TP.

Had a similar spot in my last session and the target had 2-pr vs. my TPTK. I’d reluctantly fold.

IDK players like this usually get real sticky w/ Ax, not so much check/raise two opponents with it.

I think he's more likely to show up w/ two pair, 44, and draws. The problem w/ that is there are zero draws otf. How likely is he to peel w/ like 3s6s and 7s8s? My decision would be based on what my read was in game.

I don't think your winning much by calling, but the reality is he probably does have enough 6s8s or what ever and the occasional AQ to make calling correct. (but I'm leaning toward folding reading it from afar)

*grunch* I like the call on the flop vs. a good player leading and donk behind. I think you bet too small on the turn because the whale is likely never folding an Ace and someone could have picked up a draw. As played, I think it's a call vs. a guy overplaying hands.

Results:

I guess he is still steaming from the last hand, I would have folded, but after seeing that, probably not folding any value hand