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Old 07-27-2013, 01:16 PM   #1
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2/5NL AK flop decision OOP in 3bet pot

Villain 1 (HJ) $700 : young white male, mid 20's, standard TAG image

Villain 2 (CO) $800 : asian male, late 20's maybe early 30's, fairly solid TAG, regular at this casino

Villain 3 (Button) $196 : older white male, 60's-70's, relatively tight from my recollection

Hero (SB) $600 : standard TAG image, haven't been getting out of line at the table thus far


Preflop $7
V1 opens to $20
V2 call
V3 call
H reraise to $100 AK
V1 fold
V2 call
V3 call


Flop $325 1043
H ?

Am I forced to check this flop due to V3 being so short? Would my decision be different if V3 was deeper?
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Old 07-27-2013, 01:27 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5NL AK flop decision OOP in 3bet pot

wow an actual tough spot because that cold caller.

Normally i'd say just ship if vs villain 3 as you can't really be making a huge mistake even if you are behind but with villain 2 calling it's quite annoying.

As played it really doesn't mater if you bet or check as both are fine. Since it's 120~BB I really don't mind a bet of $150 and a shove on the turn. It will look like QQ+ and you may get JJ and maybe a weak tight QQ to fold. Villain 3 could have anything and cold calling half his stack is marginal at best. Don't be surprised if he calls here with 77+ as he seems terrible.

if you check you have to fold to a bet and your hand looks exactly like AK but that's not to say it's bad. It's more or less a risk management and if villains call light it's probably best.

Just try not to get married with AK if you are any deeper than this - as this is the cut off you really want to be going broke with AK.

Edit - you could also 3bet a tad bigger since there is $67 already in the pot. A 3bet to $130 would of made this hand much easier to play - unless you thought the old man was going to re raise so you could put a 5bet on. That would of been sick. But relying on him to play correctly is meh so I think $130 is a better 3bet. I would of liked the $100 3bet if you had position but since you don't I think you need to go higher.

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Old 07-27-2013, 06:07 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5NL AK flop decision OOP in 3bet pot

3 bet size is rediculous. V utg range is questionable here so i would 3 bet really small. $45. I smoke out his big pairs early on, and he calls easily with broadways if he has them. The wider he opens (99 KQ AJs etc) then i would simply 3x as a 3 bet.
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Old 07-27-2013, 11:29 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5NL AK flop decision OOP in 3bet pot

I think 3bet size is perfect. It give us the option to 5-bet if button just goes all in preflop. If V3 wasn't shortstacked, I would probably 3bet to $110 to $120.

On flop, I think I bet between $125 and $150. This puts V2 in a tough spot since he might have to beat 2 opponent's hands. I'll probably shut down if called.
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Old 07-27-2013, 11:33 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5NL AK flop decision OOP in 3bet pot

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3 bet size is rediculous. V utg range is questionable here so i would 3 bet really small. $45. I smoke out his big pairs early on, and he calls easily with broadways if he has them. The wider he opens (99 KQ AJs etc) then i would simply 3x as a 3 bet.
WTF no one is UTG..... He is H jack...

if you 3bet to 45 no one is folding and you just bloat a pot out of position..

just saying.
This is not good advice - 3bet to $100 is fine.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:32 AM   #6
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Re: 2/5NL AK flop decision OOP in 3bet pot

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WTF no one is UTG..... He is H jack...

if you 3bet to 45 no one is folding and you just bloat a pot out of position..

just saying.
This is not good advice - 3bet to $100 is fine.

yeah he is making no sense to me. what about on the flop?
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:20 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5NL AK flop decision OOP in 3bet pot

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3 bet size is rediculous. V utg range is questionable here so i would 3 bet really small. $45. I smoke out his big pairs early on, and he calls easily with broadways if he has them. The wider he opens (99 KQ AJs etc) then i would simply 3x as a 3 bet.
Actually, I think OP's 3-bet sizing is perfect (3x the original raise + 2x for the 2 cold callers). OP should still be getting value from worse with this sizing.

Your suggestion to 3-bet to only $45 out of SB over a $20 HJ raise and 2 calls (CO/BTN) is probably WAY TOO SMALL.
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