Flat. I will not 3bet here because I am not sure we 3bet for value or bluff.

meh id say 8s are a clear flat and 10s are a clear 3bet. id probably 3bet but its close.

I agree with the kitty.

Part of the problem with 3! (or a flop check-raise) is that because of our relative position to the LAG, we're always going to be missing information about the limpers' reactions to LAG's raise or c-bet. Flat and get more potential value out of limpers when you make a set. I'm not even convinced TT is a "clear" 3! here.

How has V been reacting to donks, if at all?

I'm sure in China it's a clear 3bet.

In only 20 min, V already showing aggression ip. Certainly could be catching cards, still my initial reaction would be to 3-bet ($100) for value.

Nevertheless, I would flat multi-way and oop. If a limper calls, we are going multi-way for sure - not good for 99.

Evaluate flop; c/f to Q+ overcards.

This is obv fairly divided so far. I personally could forsee a fairly awkward turn spot in regards to effective stack sizes, and scary board textures w/o a 9 if we 3bet this pre. I'd flat here.

flatting leaves H in a very awkward spot if a limper or both come along. i would be 3! for value, then play pokers on the flop.

If you flat call then you're playing OOP to the raiser and the limpers, so you pretty much are set mining only.

Against a LAG, you're getting value from trapping. Easy flat and check on any flop. He's going to fire with ATC on the flop and you're going to call no matter what if everyone else folds. Kind of hard to say what to do on the turn, but I'm looking at exploiting any made draws and dry boards with a c/r. If someone comes along on the flop on a dry board, I'm folding on the flop. If it is wet without an ace, I'll continue. If the ace comes and another villain plays, I fold.

Interesting. A lot more love for a flat than I would have expected. Against an ABC player, I can see it, but against a competent LAG it seems foolish. We're getting iffy odds to set mine (especially if we end up HU) and will have a lot of trouble extracting if we hit. Against a weaker player , we should be able to make up for that with our SDV , but I don't see us getting to many rivers against this guy with just a pair of nines. The vast majority of boards will have over cards and we'll be out of position and have no initiative.

One line I didn't consider was flat pre and donk the flop on boards that hit my perceived range if we end up HU. That seems to have potential...

Hero raises to $90. Limpers fold. V tanks deep, checks out my stack size, uncaps his cards, recaps, cuts out a call, let's it sit there for a while , and finally slides it out.

Pot: $185
Flop Qd5d4d

Hero does what with his black nines?

Since he is solid reg. I have to believe he plays 3 bet pots fairly well IP. Until we have a more certain idea of his opening range. I am probably flatting.

Once we get a good idea of his range. Which sounds pretty dam wide. Then this is a 3 bet. 99 plays very well postflop vs lag CO range. We will have to double barrel alot of runouts. But with clean image this shouldn't be a problem. We will be looking for hands to 3 bet against him. I prefer 99 over suited suited broadways and Ace high type hands. Even though we flop over card over 55% of time. We are still bluffing less often post flop.

As a lag. I love the fact that I have a solid player 3 to my left. As it puts you in blinds and UTG, when I am most active. Generally they stay out of my way. Only at 5/10 level have I seen them fight back OOP with any skill.

Congrats. You bloated the pot and have trash. Pot is $180 and you have $430 behind. If he's any bit of a good LAG, he's only going to fold to pressure. Bet $150 and pray he missed the flop and folds. You have to convince him you have aces and want to charge him for any draw. If he comes over the top, you'll have to call because he'll either have a draw or you'll have the draw.

Either that or c/f. You're not going to be able to finesse this once trying to lose the minimum after another bet.

The arguments for 3betting seem to be that it makes the hand easier to play. It doesn't because 1) he should have a stronger range than usual raising over 2 limpers, and 2) he's a lag and almost all lags like to see flops in position. These 2 factors combined mean he's not folding to the 3bet very often. So the good thing about 3betting is that it gets the limpers to fold, which means we go HU against the lag and win the pot more often, but the bad part about it is that it bloats the pot OOP against someone who can and will play back on some boards, and with a bloated pot OOP our mistakes will be magnified.

Don't see any option other than c/f turn.

I'm just going to attempt to protect my equity now and hope he just folds.

Bet 125, give up if he calls, fold if he raises. You are in a bad spot because he has everything that's good enough to continue in his range and you have zero blockers.

Flat and then depending on the thee limper and board texture I advise some some donking some c/r and some c/f

I wish i could give a thorough post but I just left bottomless bloody brunch

Just caught up

Ez b/f , I find at these stack depths it's not that exploitable even against a competent "lag"

140-150/f

pre:

i am +1 to the pf 3b

calling is too weak and you're most likely going to get owned postflop. any flop with an overcard when he bets, you are next to act so you have no info on 2 villains behind, you have to fold.

3b > fold > call

flop:

monotone flops as the aggressor are actually not that bad, i would bet it pretty big ~140, sets up stack size for a turn shove.

Grunch:

Dunno if we are still pre flop but I'm going to flat with the plan to set mine 95% of the time, but leave my self the option to peel on good flop based on sizing/timing.


Post gunch edit:
Eww nasty flop. I guess that I'm going to bet here. All the option feel kinda ugly. Betting $125 reasonable.

This is what I thought, so I'm honestly surprised that the majority prefer a flat.

Lead flop and shove blank turns or c/shove flop. If he smashed it pay him off, but it's easy enough for him to have naked Kd/Ad that he won't fold those and you still often have the best hand. He might even fold a hand like AQ or KQ or TT/JJ if he doesn't have a diamond. Just because board is somewhat scary doesn't mean that your equity sucks. Any pair with diamond redraw probably isn't folding and he can definitely have all smaller pairs in his range doing the standard "let's see if an A or K flops before getting it in" routine.

99 is good enough to call multiway but not good enough to 3bet - it's too good to be used as a bluff (playing against a lag, you can profitably call down a lot of boards), but not good enough to be used for value or to 5bet get it in. Squeezing pre in your spot can be correct, but with other hands.

Also, you didnt mention anything about the limpers or their stack sizes. An early limper could easily reraise.

Both limpers have about $500. Both are l/p. Both have l/c multiple times against V and c/f flop. Both have also l/f pre to limper's raise.

V has a one hand that went past flop. He c-bet into two limp/callers. One of them called. Turn went c/c. FD came in on river, and limper checked. V bet and limper called. V said "do you have a flush?" Limper proudly showed his crappy flush and V nodded and mucked without showing. This tells me that V is not a one-and-done c-bettor, so if I flat pre, ima have to call at least 2 streets to realize my SDV.

the more i thought about it the more i like the 3bet, i might make it larger though. you want your first 3bet to be more towards your bluff range vs someone who can fold, which sounds like villain, so getting dealt the top of your 3bet fold range and being able to 3bet is good.

as played im checking here. sucks if he bets as im check calling but hopefully he checks behind. q hits a lot of his flatting range unfortunately.

I dunno. I'd 3b JJ, maybe TT, probably not even TT, I like playing 99 thought.
Very many flops with a 9 or T smashes most l/caller range and theyre never folding a draw. A donk bet when you flop a set to gain initiative & get massive value from the fish is damn better then putting your stack on the line OOP vs a lag.

As played I'd c/shove for vakue since he'll be betting almost his whole range.