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06-16-2013 , 03:19 PM
This hand happened last night at a home game I'm a reg at and wanted to get some thoughts on my play. Most people here are mainly $1/2 players and buy in short. Very passive limp mania table.

V1 is UTG+1 (~$200-225), fairly decent player when on his A game but gets real out of line once stuck 2 buyins or more (ie. blind all ins for 20bb etc). He's on his 3rd I think.

V2 is CO (~$200), loose player who limp/calls with a very wide range and leads out/calls with any piece of the board unless facing a nit. There is 2 nits at the table and I'm not one of them.

Hero is MP (~$420), seen as a winning player and V's know I can make moves (3bet light, triple barrel, etc.). Been playing fairly tight so far because the stations have been out in force so far. Keeping it to good hands with enough low-mid SC's IP to keep it mixed up.

V1 make it $15 to go, hero calls w/ KQo, folds to V2 who calls, btn and blinds fold.

Flop ($50) $2 rake: 10c-7x-Qc......V1 bets $40, hero calls, V2 calls.
Turn ($170): 7x......V1 checks, hero bets $50, V2 calls, V1 calls.

I know this bet is small but i sized it there for these reasons. First I thought V1 had given up after 2 callers to his cbet. Second, a 7 is def in V2's range and $50 was more of a blocking bet with intention to fold to a raise, and thirdly, I think it folds FD's here with these two players given stack sizes with only one street left.

River ($320): dud. Can't remember it exactly but it was useless.

Checks around.

Input on all streets? I know there are arguments for checking turn or either betting more but knowing these players well i I felt the reasons listed where good. By the river I checked because the pot was bigger than I wanted for one pair and thought I might be beat and was happy to see showdown.

Will post results after some input. Thanks
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06-16-2013 , 03:37 PM
Your turn bet looked exacty like what it was. A weak bet. Your villains could have raised you out of the pot with ATC. You say you wanted to push flush draws out but you were giving them odds to call. That was a useless bet.
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06-16-2013 , 04:08 PM
With these stack sizes I'd just jam the flop. Its only a slight overbet (if UTG's stack is $200 to start the hand, you'd be raising to $185 while a PSB would be to $170) and can definitely get called by worse given villain descriptions, and there are lots of turn cards you don't want to see especially if we're going multiway to the turn.
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06-16-2013 , 04:14 PM
I knew right after betting it was too small and figured I'd get ragged when posting it here but I didn't think they would call off 40% of their stacks on a draw and wouldn't want to shove with only one street left. Also, I felt that $100 or more would fold out worse hands.

What would your move have been?
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06-16-2013 , 04:34 PM
fold preflop.
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06-16-2013 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chaotic29
fold preflop.
Why? Villain as described should be playing pretty spazzy right now, and we're in position on him with a hand that plays well against his shortish stack size. This looks like a pretty standard call to me given that his range is going to be wider than a TAG reg's UTG open.
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06-16-2013 , 05:35 PM
You can probably just shove it. I wasn't there so i don't know but I see players call of with draws like this a lot. Just jam it. If you bet less and the river isn't a brick, you'll be elling pretty crappy.
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06-16-2013 , 05:57 PM
Chaotic29: I'm NEVER folding this pre to this guy's raise and V2's call is even better except he has position. The second 7 is what scared me the most because of V2's habit of calling off with bottom pair etc.

Anyway, spoiler here: both V's flip over QJo to my surprise. So I don't think I played it the best theoretically but I think a shove or $100+ turn bet folds them out. I could've gotten more otr but didn't really want to open up the betting to V1 cuz I though he may have had AQ or QT. And that's exactly why I don't fold KQ pre at this game.
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06-16-2013 , 06:07 PM
Given the reads, I am raising PF to try and isolate V1.

As played, I'm betting bigger on the turn and looking to get it in.
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06-16-2013 , 06:43 PM
I like 3betting pre as well given villain and table descriptions. KQo is not exactly great multiway and calling leads to that type of pot a lot.
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06-16-2013 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverScurred
Why? Villain as described should be playing pretty spazzy right now, and we're in position on him with a hand that plays well against his shortish stack size. This looks like a pretty standard call to me given that his range is going to be wider than a TAG reg's UTG open.
you're right, my mistake, i thought this was 1/2.
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06-16-2013 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by peckx063
I like 3betting pre as well given villain and table descriptions. KQo is not exactly great multiway and calling leads to that type of pot a lot.
u will 3b pre flop and u know that V1 is tilting and shovin 30bb-without looking..
i would play same as u,only diference is that i will bet that river,in my opinion as u describe those vilans i think they r 3b u on flop with AQ&QT(it is flush draw on flop) like 80% of time..so value shove on river is ok by my standards on that spot vs that players.4 sure one of them is calling and maybe both..
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06-16-2013 , 08:14 PM
3bet or fold pf. Turn bet is horrific, you're letting a FD get direct odds to call. At LLSNL, nobody is folding a made flush on the river, even if they fear you have a FH. Worse hands will call more than your bet and you're pot committed if the villains raise or bet at you on the river with better.
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06-16-2013 , 08:52 PM
Venice I agree. I shoulda bet turn bigger.

As for 3betting pre, I will do this sometimes but not every time w/ KQ obviously and this was one of the times I decided to call. I understand the logic behind it though.

Last edited by DeepStack bMAC; 06-16-2013 at 09:00 PM.
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