Hero($380): 20 year old WM, look even younger. Competent tight and aggressive image against most of the table except MP villain who has only been here for a few hands. I've been very tight as I've been card dead but I've been in two huge pots where I got the maximum with a full house and then later on when I flopped top set and the turn completed a four card flush and lost. No previous history against either villain.

V1- MP($500): New to table, no reads, never played with him before.
V2- HJ($700): Has been pretty card dead as well for the two hours I've been at the table. No real reads about tendencies except he does limp or call opens more often than I do.

Folds to V1 who raises to 20, Hero calls with A9hh(thoughts? I expect some calls behind to give me odds to flushmine. I could see just folding as well.)
V2 calls from HJ, BTN calls, SB calls.

Pot($100)
Flop: 9x5h3x

SB checks, V1 bets 55, Hero calls
Thoughts? Heads up I think it's a slam dunk call and reevaluate but I don't know how that dynamic changes multi-way.
V2 calls, BTN folds, SB calls

Pot($320)
Turn: Jh

SB checks, V1 asks how many bills I have, I tell him two. He bets 115
Hero calls, thoughts again?
Basically exactly the turn card we're calling flop for. Again though, I'm not sure how to play this multi-way.

MP's hand is basically face up at this point for a range of JJ+ with the occasional one combo of 99. I'm getting a great price to call against that range and I don't think I have much fold equity if I jam so I called. Is the call fine? Is a jam better/should I have folded on a previous street.

HJ decidse to jam all in for 650 total, which would be for the SBs remaining 600 and the rest of MPs chips.
SB folds, MP folds.

HJ's hand is also face up now. If he's only taking this line with J9, 55, 33, or 99, then I have 21% equity which is exactly my pot odds so no choice at this point.

Clearly I went wrong somewhere, since I called bets on every street while behind so where did I go wrong in my line.

Fold pre and fold flop

I like to follow the 15-25-35 rule that states you need 15 times the raise size in effective stacks to call with small pairs. 25 for suited conectors. And 35 for suited aces and suited gappers. So to call this raise i would want hero and villain to have atleast 700. So fold pre. On the flop you got one of the better run outs for your habd you have no choice but to call, it just sucks because calling is likely gonna pot commit you with a weak hand. Hence why being deeper lets us get away from speculative hands like this. On the turn i would just jam even if you dont have any fold equity against the raiser. You have some against the other players in the hand. Its not like your folding any river, might as well make the most when you hit.

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Fold pre. Top up.

Preflop I think you need to be deeper and/or in a better position to call here. 35X stack sizes seem a bit excessive for calling preflop, but position is going to be a lot more important when playing a drawing hand vs. a pp where you were set mining.

Postflop I think it's fine all around, but again, this is why position is so important with these types of hands. You find yourself in a marginal spot where your hand is too strong too fold, but you're sandwiched between a couple of stronger ranges and you're just playing high variance low value poker. While V2 likely does have a tight range, you have to give him at least a small% of bluffs in his range, so it's a no-brainer call on the turn with your pair + NFD.

This sounds “similar” to how I have mentally played but just a little tighter and Oh so much simpler. I’m adopting it for 5-10 sessions to see what effects it has on my results. Thanks very much.

Dont thank me. Thank crushlivepoker.com

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Fold flop????

Am curious, why fold flop when we have TPTK here?

Fold preflop. A9 sucks balls. Suited or not. Especially when you're not closing the action and not in position.

I wouldnt say the turn card is the card you wanted when you called the flop. Not at all. If you were looking for that turn card, then go all in on the turn and make the raiser fold his overpairs. They wont always fold but you do have a fair amount of FE depending on the player and you still have a lot of outs if he calls.

Fold pre - need to be deeper to call

Flop - can't fold - no choice but to call - raising is over repping the hand.

turn - you should be jamming. You got a good turn card and you most likely have the best hand. If you don't you have some fold equity and even if he calls you have decent raw equity.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Definitely filled a leak here since everyone is saying you need to be deeper to call suited aces like this.

It’s not just being deeper. It’s your poor relative position versus a stronger EP range with the entire table to act behind. Your calling range should be very tight here even if deeper.

OP, just to add … look for a hand that can double you up at 76 bbs effective. Big aces, big pairs, mostly folding unless you can see a flop cheaply.

GL!

I think the 35bb rule is a stretch.

1/2/3

Whale opens $15 in HJ with $200 eff stack, CO ($100) calls, are we really folding A3s OTB here?

When I read the title, I was already thinking “probably preflop”.

It stands

Always

Not always, I might 3 bet with it. Im not calling though.

67 BB’s versus a whale is not deep enough to 3bet A3s.

+1

Plus we have a 33bb fish who might just go with 55+, A2s+, K10s+, A5o+, Q9s+.

We cant rly 3b bluff profitbaly in this spot bc 1) we have a whale and 2) the co is so short he can just yolo a lot of his hands.

And we definitely dont have an equity edge against both players so i dont think we can say we are 3b’ing for value.

And we also are not accounting for the times the SB/BB will have a premium or just cold call better Aces, 77-JJ, etc. the PFR is also uncapped as well. So i find it really hard to imagine a scenario where we 3b a3s here and find a profit

pre. you have to be more disciplined than this with your starting hands if you're going to play this short. suited marginal aces make good calling hands when we're deep, not so much here. not sure how i'd play post here because i'd be deeper.

Fold preflop.

As played, flop is completely standard call.

Turn we can either flat or jam, but I generally lean towards flatting. And of course we're calling it off against the x/jam with our NFD.

The only street you f**ked up was preflop.

Depends on what kind of whale it is and whether or not youre willing to get all in preflop with A3s.

Seems tight. Any ace and I’m good.

you're flatting your entire Ax range here?