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04-05-2015 , 06:01 PM
Table History
Hero ($600) has been playing fairly snug, been ABC, hasn't shown down any bluffs, and has shown the winning hand at 95% of showdowns. I'm a 20/yo "internet kid" so I feel the table views me as some LAG based off of how I look.

V1 (covers) is a fish, with some knowledge of the game, but overall is a weak/bad player. He has money, and is capable of bluffing, and has a hard time folding TP. Hes sitting next to a pretty asian girl, who he knows, and I think his EGO is getting into play a bit too. He doesn't like to fold. Haven't gotten involved with him yet, but I'm looking forward to it.

V2 ($200) Very weak ABC player. Shes probably 50's? and is a health freak talking about GMO's and all that other organic nonsense. She bets when she has it, and folds when she doesn't. I've played 2 hands with her, both when I bet flop, on a FD board, she called, then FD came on the turn and she lead out for like a PSB and I folded and she showed a flush both times.
Another hand I felt she played weird was a hand where she flatted OTB with QQ then on a 895 board with 2 's she raised a bet, turn was a random 10, both checked, then river was J and bet $100 with $100 behind and someone shoved on her and she tanked and tanked then finally called with QQ vs someone elses JJ

The Hand
V1 is UTG and limps, V2 is MP and limps, few other limps, and Hero looks down at K7 OTB and decides to squeeze, making it $35.
(I haven't been making too many raises preflop, this isn't about a steal pre, but thoughts on it are appreciated.)
V1 calls, V2 calls, and 2 others call.

Flop ($175)
854

V1 leads for $50, V2 calls, other 2 in the hand fold and actions on hero...

We...? Call? Raise? or Shove?

What and Why.
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04-05-2015 , 06:38 PM
You have close to zero FE vs V2 here. Pot's too big compared to her stack. I call and see the turn. Fold a brick turn to a big bet, call with odds against smaller bets. I just don't see stealng this pot from V2 often enough to convince me to raise.
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04-05-2015 , 06:51 PM
very easy call getting good odds with the FD, SD and position. I usually prefer the NFD before I start to think about folding people out because if they play back at us we might be all in and drawing dead

the pf raise is fine and standard.
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04-05-2015 , 06:58 PM
Why do you say this is not about a steal pre? Raising K7s otb is fine. Overlimping is fine. But be clear about your reasons for doing each. If we are raising, it is to take down the dead money. If we are overlimping, its to try to felt someone. Your goal with a raise is to make people fold their share of the equity incorrectly. If one person calls, that's fine it should be easy to play against them postflop. If its a limp-cally table like it seems, i'd prefer just overlimping. On a limp foldy table, I think your raise is fine, though 40-45 is probably a bit better.

As played, we have enough equity here to get it vs. their ranges and be happy about it. Don't forget, while there is a chance you get it in vs. NFD, you also get it in vs. QJ, QT, Q9 and other weird FD combos that they decided to limp. The NFD only reps a small portion of their ranges. Add that to the fact that they both may fold... raise to 400. If either call, just check behind on the turn if you brick (no fold equity) or call it off if they stop and go you on the turn. If turn goes check check, and you brick river, just give up. This way you maximize your wins while saving the $200. V1 is never folding if he calls flop bet. Even if you get there. Nobody folds a $200 river bet in a 1k pot with a pair.
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04-05-2015 , 07:22 PM
Great flop for us. Calling is too passive against this action and turns your hand face up as some kind of draw or medium strength hand.

225-250/GII vs V1 unless you have some sick read on his 1/4th pot donk bets being the nuts.
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04-05-2015 , 08:16 PM
Calling and raising are both reasonable options. Given that V1 might pay off if you hit instead of being scared and might even bluff into you, that makes calling more attractive compared to being up against an unknown.
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04-05-2015 , 08:24 PM
$315/call if off and call here are both acceptable imo.
Getting great odds, I enjoy peeling sometimes. This might be one of them.
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04-05-2015 , 08:32 PM
Squeeze bet needs to be bigger. If you dont know what bet size it will take to get HU or scoop, then you shouldn't be attempting the squeeze at all. Also, this hand is kind of iffy for squeezing that many players. I really prefer a suited Ace here, or fewer players to squeeze.

Once I hit this flop, and V2 calls the donk bet, she's irrelevant. We crush her range, she has very little money left, if she gets it in great. But right now, my concern is not losing control of this pot against V1.

His line of limp/call/lead seems pretty weak. My likely guess is an 8 trying to see where he is.

If we raise here, I'd say we have plenty of FE against him with a pretty good overlay from V2. He woudl probably shove just sets or the straight, or the nut flush draw. We have ok equity against that range, and enough to call it off if he does shove.

That's a pretty big variance play for me personally. I like calling and and keeping his weak hands in (even though they technically beat us right now)
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04-05-2015 , 08:45 PM
We have well-disguised draws, a pot that is nearly protected (because of V2's stack size) and position. Calling seems more profitable than betting in this spot.
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04-05-2015 , 09:49 PM
Fold pre-flop.

Squeezing with your image is completely terrible.

Shove flop.
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04-06-2015 , 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by everydaygrind
Fold pre-flop.

Squeezing with your image is completely terrible.

Shove flop.
If hero is playing tag abc and has got to showdown with losers, why is this squeeze so bad?

Shouldn't other players "probably" give hero credit for a premium in this spot? If not and we see a flop, play poker in position (the best part) and use hero's image to his advantage...no?
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04-06-2015 , 12:12 AM
i'd go crazy on this flop. we have a great hand obviously great odds but our ability to get paid if we hit is going to be minimized because whatever we hit to get there is so obvious. Going nuts on this flop will potentially allow us to win the pot without improvement.
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04-06-2015 , 12:31 AM
Spoiler:
I open shoved for the rest of my stack.
I know V2 isn't folding, and even if V1 does call, were flipping at worst.
V1 hemmed and hawwed about how I'm weak in this spot and blah blah then folded, then V2 tanked and tanked and called.
Turn 3 and river brick.
GG
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04-06-2015 , 01:10 AM
Call. We still have two streets to get stacks in if we hit. If we miss, we will get out cheap. If we raise here, we will pretty much be committing ourselves unless we r trying to take the pot down. If v1 comes on top, we are forced to call with 30-40 equity against made strt or 2 pair. There is more money to be made from v1 by making our hand than taking it down now. Deeper we would like to raise the pot for river shove. With this stacks I would rather call.
Edit: look like a fool when I see the result is already posted. But i would like to post first and then read other opinions to see how far off I m from others.

Last edited by ironmikee; 04-06-2015 at 01:20 AM.
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