Hero (covers) TAG image, been playing lots of pots in position, and 3betting value often nothing out of line

V1(220) rec player, raising a fair bit, too loose overall

V2(900) nitty player with zero raising frequency. Either l/f or l/c pre. Saw him check down his KK over pair for 3 streets for a $10 pot lol, so extremely passive post as well

V2 limps utg, 2 limps, V1 in SB r 20, H BB 3b 65, V2 flats, folds to V1 who shoves 220 ai, Hero???

All 3 options I considered on the table

I think I'm ahead of SB shorty range, but might be behind utg l/c 3b range

Obv can't really 4b/fold, calling is awkward, folding is bad when I fold and utg folds some of his range behind

What do you guys think??

I don't like it. I think I just let it go. V2 must be pretty strong to call a 3b! Plus, V1 can't/shouldn't be too weak.

Why do you think you are ahead of SB? 4bet shove is pretty strong, even for 50bb. Does he know what 50bb means? Does he realize he's shoving over a TAG's 3bet from the blinds and what that means?

Honestly, I just let it go.

V1 is a rec player, he was playing normalish most often

one hand he wanted to blind shove utg when someone straddled and he did, then went back to normal but still straddling - so obv has some gamble in him

Bump, updated V1 description above

I'd fold.

Being this deep and oop with the weirdo limper who limp cold calls 3bets is the main reason I would fold.

Sucks folding jj here but v2 will show up with qq-aa often enough to make this a sucky but solid fold

If V2 was limping KK/AA wouldn't this be their time to shove as opposed to flat? Don't these types of players dream of the limp rereaise?
I would guess AK and possibly QQ.

Still would probably fold as I'd feel pretty dumb stacking off with JJ and doubt it's a long term profitable play but interesting hand and it's possible v1 and V2 are blocking each other's outs.

Is V1 raising often from the blinds?

Technically, you 3bet and V1 raised, 4bet, shoved. There's a lot of strength showing when he did this, so I don't think he's doing this light. JJ is crushed against any sort of reasonable 4 bet range in LLSNL. Easy fold without a read that V1 has gone into maniac mode.

we have direct odds to call
just saying

Assuming his range is what? If it is AA/KK I don't think we do.

assuming QQ+,AKs
you can't possibly know he's only got KK+
the half stacked fish shipping is going to block some of the nit's premium range as well

If this guy has some gamble in him, he could easily be in **** it I’m a short stack shove mode. Given the odds you are getting I couldn’t fault a call heads up, but with the other player behind, I just let it go.

V1 is shoving over the top against two players. I can't see how V1 has anything less than AK suited or QQ+. V1 has to know that he will likely be called in one, maybe two spots. Plus, if Hero calls, he gives V2 good odds to call. So JJ may need to win multiway. JJ is not getting the right odds (even multiway) if V1 has QQ+. Hero needs to hope that V1 has AK suited and V2 has a hand like 99.

Hero should just fold. Personally, I think Hero should have just flatted the $20 and saw the flop. That would have probably got more players in the pot, giving Hero excellent implied odds if he hits a set, with a backup plan of betting if the flop is 3 undercards to the jacks. Hero should have seen that V had only 44 bbs left. 3-betting essentially puts V1 in a shove or fold situation. So Hero shouldn't 3 bet here unless he's willing to GII.

Only a couple of times, not excessive
I have 3b him before BB vs SB without showdown where he raised 20 over a couple of limpers and c/f flop

This guy I don't expect to go over the top with anything, given he is l/c AA, KK etc..pre

The guy can spazz - blind shoved utg one hand
But otherwise has been playing pretty normal