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2/5: Weird spot with AA postflop HU 2/5: Weird spot with AA postflop HU

07-21-2017 , 03:27 AM
Some EP limper (700),
Folds to H in SB (450) with AAsc who raises to $25,
Only V calls.

Flop ($55): QT9dd
Hero bets $30, V raises to $70, Hero ???

I just call.

Turn ($195): Kc
Hero checks, V bets $110, Hero ???
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07-21-2017 , 03:29 AM
Fold flop is probably best although I typically tilt call here. Obvious fold now, not sure what the question is
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07-21-2017 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Fold flop is probably best although I typically tilt call here. Obvious fold now, not sure what the question is

NFD still out there.
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07-21-2017 , 06:15 AM
Yeah, a couple combos of the NFD that he probably doesn't raise on the flop anyway and a million combos of value hands that have us near dead.
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07-21-2017 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Fold flop is probably best although I typically tilt call here. Obvious fold now, not sure what the question is
This.

The turn card is just awful. Even if we c/c the flop, we are c/fing the turn.
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07-21-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Fold flop is probably best although I typically tilt call here. Obvious fold now, not sure what the question is
+2 unless you have mindreading skills vs. V.
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07-21-2017 , 02:02 PM
Pot or overbet flop and get away from it after that.
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07-21-2017 , 02:20 PM
I notice you title a lot of your threads "Weird spot with..." but I don't think this is really that weird of a spot. An opponent (perhaps a passive one since he open limped?) has raised your flop bet and made a large bet on the turn on a board that smacks his range and a naked J alone beats you. You have one pair. You will be OOP on the river. Believe him. Fold.

Your comment "NFD still out there" seems to suggest your mindset was/is looking for a reason to call instead of weighing the evidence objectively. Unless you have some other reads on V that you didn't share initially, it is w/o question a fold.

Last edited by Joey913; 07-21-2017 at 02:26 PM.
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07-21-2017 , 02:21 PM
Easy flop check
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07-21-2017 , 03:12 PM
Ava, shouldn't we be more likely to check flop with AA if we hold the Ad? I don't think I would mind checking back flop but OOP and giving all diamond draws and Jx a free card, or c/c 2-3 streets seems awful.
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07-22-2017 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Easy flop check
Seems fairly results oriented.
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07-22-2017 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Easy flop check

And be clueless when he bets 3 streets?
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07-22-2017 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Seems fairly results oriented.
Heh, but we dont know results?

Unless you are saying that the turn is a bad result, but think about it, any card above a 7 is a bad result and for the 6 and below we dont want to see diamonds.

So we are essentially "drawing" to hit a non-diamond 2,3,4,5,6.

We also of course have the best hand alot, but taken this way, we dont bet/fold ourselves off of the best of it, and we keep villains range as wide as it can be.

Momo, you arent clueless when he bets three streets. You fold turn. You'll see a bluff there occasionally but no where near enough to make a calldown profitable.

Swolsy, its a double edged sword, but yes Id be "happier" to check with the Ad. Happier bc our equity is maintained/improved on diamond turns, but cautious bc i know villains range has even less bluffs in it when he bets.
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07-22-2017 , 09:32 AM
^ I'm honestly kind of sick and stubborn with AA and feel like I'm entitled to win postflop. But these ridiculous flops have been killing me. Today the board ran out JT3JT when I had AA.
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07-22-2017 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Some EP limper (700),
Folds to H in SB (450) with AAsc who raises to $25,
Only V calls.

Flop ($55): QT9dd
Hero bets $30, V raises to $70, Hero ???

I just call.

Turn ($195): Kc
Hero checks, V bets $110, Hero ???
Is V type of player to limp EP with 76s+ then call $20 raise having position on his V?
Will he raise OTF with a flush or str8 draw OTF?
Will he bet Turn when his V checks even though he didn't make his draw?

If not, you are greater than a 3.5:1 dog to boat up, as he has 2 pair+ IMO
unless he flopped str8. If that's the case, is there enough money behind to get 3.5:1 & will he call a paired board OTR?

So, do you feel lucky? Well, do ya'?

I call, because I always assume I have the best hand, until it's obvious I don't & then I pretend he has the one hand that gives me the most outs....:

Seriously though, I find it hard to fold here. I really do. Even though I'm probably beat & don't have enough outs to draw the majority of the time, I still call the majority of the time..........unless I'm winning........if I'm winnin' a lot, I'm not on entitlement tilt.
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07-22-2017 , 10:54 AM
Honestly i dont mind check folding the flop.
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07-22-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Heh, but we dont know results?

Unless you are saying that the turn is a bad result, but think about it, any card above a 7 is a bad result and for the 6 and below we dont want to see diamonds.

So we are essentially "drawing" to hit a non-diamond 2,3,4,5,6.

We also of course have the best hand alot, but taken this way, we dont bet/fold ourselves off of the best of it, and we keep villains range as wide as it can be.
We are in a readless spot. The only info we have to go off of is V limp/called in EP and therefore is likely a loose-passive player. We've gotta go with population reads here absent any other info.

So when we get a soaking wet board b/f seems super standard. Villains like this will call with pairs and draws and raise 2p+.
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