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Originally Posted by CowboyCold
Minatorr,
I'll play devil's advocate against calling this hand out of the Blinds. This is 2/5 and we are fairly deep. (I would be topped off to be 200 bigs with the other players, but w/e)
First regarding the 3x raise. I know I am in the minority, but I raise 3x with my entire range when I am first in the pot. This can be anything from AA to 45s. Unless OP has a read that he varies his bet size due to his card strength, then I wouldn't read much into that.
Secondly, I want to play hands especially the deeper we get that can make the nutz. The best chance KQo has a chance of doing this is by making the nut straight. And a lot of the time if we get an AJx flop, we are chasing a gut shot because "if we hit we can stack this bastard." Bad thinking and bad play. Most of the time, we get a 1 pair hand that is not near the nuts and OOP is likely to face a lot of aggression that we don't want.
Suited and I am all for it when we can add that equity into the hand. IF I was to play this out of the BB against a 3x open, I would 3! and take the intiative.Makes a donk on the flop much more believable should we want to take that route post flop etc....
Long winded way of saying I drop this hand in the blinds facing any amount of raise and don't think twice about it. I'd rather play SCs here than this hand.
Edit: Not to mention when we flop a K or a Q that likely hits the openers range as well a lot of the time.
150bb deep we should def have more of a reason to call vs one extremely weak player otb and the weak player from MP. We are getting an insane price to defend.
I didnt say 3x raise size indicates weakness. Even if he’s opening like 88+, QJs+, KQo+, A8s+, AJo+ (which is pretty dang tight and he may be opening a little looser), we have an insanely crystal clear call esp with the fish otb (he’s also giving us a better price/better pot odds). But i will say a lot of fish/regs will raise lower with weaker hands, so although he may be the one guy who does 3x every hand, on average population tendency will have an extra x% weaker hands here simply because he opened 3x.
If flop comes AJx we shouldnt be chasing the gutshot. Simple as that. The PFR’s cbetting range will be very nutted and we cant continue except on a miracle 10. I dont know where you play, but live players dont dbl barrel with airballs let alone even triple off with air. A huge disadvantage of being OOP is not being able to realize equity and/or folding the best hand too often bc IP players can put a lot of pressure on our capped ranges with dbl and triple barrels. Live players just wont do that at any reasonable freq.
I would not 3bet here. The OR is a little tight, we are bloating the pot oop with K high vs two players who prob wont fold (OR is a little tight, btn is gambley fish), we arent suited. Plus if we 3b here we are wayyyy overbluffing. That implies we are 3bing 16 combos of KQo, and we are also doing 16 AQo and a bunch of other random hands as well like KJo, etc. KQo plays perfectly as a flat here.
I’d rather have KQo here than like 64s or 54s. Now if you give me 109s, QJs, 98s, im picking those. This is a really good spot. We need to get into the pot with these weak players. Flop play is quite bad though putting it mildly, so i guess that severely reduces our EV if we cant navigate post
In a lot of the threads, i am probably the top 2-3 people who are adovcating and emphasizing a fold pre (that’s probably my most common advice in threads here), esp with how postflop is butchered the OP shouldnt just be playing the hand in the first place. But folding here imo is just pretty insane vs two weak players where we should definitely be showing a profit here with a defend
Last edited by Minatorr; 07-19-2018 at 11:01 PM.