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Hand 1: I'm letting him have this one. Fold. It's only a matter of time before you show up with a much better hand in a big pot.

Bonus hand: Raise to $200

this.

busting these type of dudes is just patience and discipline. their ego will push them into a terrible spot.

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06-14-2017 , 05:14 PM

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JB Clark

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anyway

i thought this hand was super interesting because we both had the same hands we started with

this is the only hand combo im ever just flatting but v cant know that...seriously this is exactly the only combo...would have shoved any ace or pp and folded KQo

result:

hero checks v snap shoves river

hero tanks and thinks hes good.

thoughts?

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06-14-2017 , 06:54 PM

#28

iraisetoomuch

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lol fold

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06-14-2017 , 07:13 PM

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Koko the munkey

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Originally Posted by JB Clark

i thought this hand was super interesting because we both had the same hands we started with

Doesn't that happen every hand you play?

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Originally Posted by JB Clark

hero tanks and thinks hes good.

Is he really shipping QJs here? More importantly, how are you going to feel when he turns over Ax?

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06-14-2017 , 07:20 PM

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Nevyn

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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey

Is he really shipping QJs here? More importantly, how are you going to feel when he turns over Ax?

I'd say he's going to feel like flat calling AKs in the SB.

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06-14-2017 , 08:00 PM

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Nevyn

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Just for the flopzilla practice, I gave villain your requested 50ish% range, then took out JJ+ AK as requested.

And against that range, you would need to believe he would bluff worse than ace high somewhere are 70% of the time to make this call. Have at it hero.

Bear in mind that none of the rest of us buy that read or called the 3 bet.

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06-15-2017 , 01:14 AM

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JB Clark

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Originally Posted by Nevyn

Serious question.

How does KQs fare against that range pre? What was our eq pre?

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06-15-2017 , 02:30 AM

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ChrisV

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Originally Posted by JB Clark

Serious question.

How does KQs fare against that range pre? What was our eq pre?

It's a little less than 60%.

It's kind of a difficult thread to reply to because none of us can do any range assessment because we weren't there and didn't see this guy. If he really has the range you're claiming, it's a slam dunk shove pre.

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06-15-2017 , 02:34 AM

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ChrisV

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Like honestly it's almost certain to be a shove, KQ breaks even against top 17% with the premium hands included, which looks like this: 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+. If you think villain is any looser than that, shove. Folding stuff to the shove isn't really going to help him with 250 in the pot already and him not knowing what to fold (although folding like KT would be good for him, folding something like A5s would be a disaster).

Obviously you have to be OK with the fact that you're gambling and are about to put 200BB in being a 60/40 fave at best. You might want to kill yourself when he calls and rolls over A3o and it holds.

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06-15-2017 , 08:35 AM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by JB Clark

result:

hero checks v snap shoves river

hero tanks and thinks hes good.

thoughts?

Well, if you think you are good, you should call obviously. Isn't this why you played the hand, especially the way you did?

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06-15-2017 , 06:29 PM

#36

JB Clark

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Yeah I know. 60% is huuuuuge. This was a slam dunk jam pre. Me calling was a result of tilt I think and a mistake. im very disappointed with myself for not shoving for profit and metagame

This is actually very important. It's not uncommon for people to polarize their hand strength pre, so KQs is an important 4betting hand.

The rest of the hand isn't really important but it is lol

(v had T8o)

he would have bet the flop with a pair and def would have bet paired board with ace high on turn so his line was absurd)

gomna be 4betting KQs more often tho

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06-16-2017 , 07:41 AM

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acescracked84

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Jam the KQs pre. Can't believe there are some "good" posters here saying fold. Go home or to 1/2 if you're folding this to a maniac. AKs also slam dunk 3bet/never fold.

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06-16-2017 , 01:13 PM

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browni3141

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Yeah, I'd probably have no flatting range to a large sizing against a villain who is 3-betting as much as described. You can value ship your entire opening range. I wouldn't even open any hands that don't GII pre. Raise/folding is lighting money on fire.

KQs is actually doing fine against villains 3-betting range. It's pretty weird that you expect him to fold all worse Kx and call all better hands. KQs is often slightly behind Ax, but rarely way behind and often way ahead.

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06-16-2017 , 10:26 PM

#39

JB Clark

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Originally Posted by browni3141

Yeah I was way off my game here. I don't like flattng at all but it's at least better than lol.folding

Great stuff about this hand tho. Gonna gamble with it more often. There's only 4 combos so I might be putting someone AI with it at a casino near you

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