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2/5 V leads PSB OTR after draws brick 2/5 V leads PSB OTR after draws brick

04-23-2018 , 06:46 PM
2/5 nl Sunday afternoon
Hero: covers, MAWG, I’ve been moved to this table about 20 minutes ago from a broken table. Played first hand with ”aggro” image as PFR, bet flop and turn to win normal pot...that’s all; who knows of B was even paying attention as he was debating to rebuy
V: $440; MAWG; got stacked on the hand I observed when I was moving tables: his 3! pre IP with KK when his V check called flop and bink gutter with A3 on 2594K board. Villain seemed to take it well; not complaining or even showing much emotion. Leads me to think he is comfortable at these stakes and might be a winner...who knows

OTTH: villain returned from getting more cash about 2 hands ago
Folds to hero in MP1, goes $25 with AA. Folds to V in small blind and he calls.

Flop J89x ($57)
V check hero $40, v calls

Turn J89x5x ($147)
V check calls $90 without much thought

River J895Jr ($327)
V leads $290 without much thought

Hero blocks all A-high flush draws; taking a large chunk of his bluffing range away. I would somewhat expect a smallish min-raise-type bet OTT with any made hand to set up a less than half PSB OTR.

I feel Villins don’t typically do this will a J

Thoughts?
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04-23-2018 , 07:06 PM
AP, I'd call.

Shouldn't be many JX hands in his PF calling range with 88 bbs effective, oop. Could be turning TT into a bluff; a few missed FD combos. Those likely offset the JX combos.

I'd check back turn for pot control.
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04-23-2018 , 07:55 PM
I think our flop sizing is a bit too large given we block NFDs. I'd like it much more if we didn't have the Ah. I think this extends to turn, where I'd like a smaller double barrel, or a check back in this case as samo noted. I actually think V's line is pretty strong OTR though. I disagree that V's calling range doesn't have a lot of Jx in it. I think all broadways & even J9o type hands would be in a SB's flatting range . Not many people bluff river's especially as an AI. I think calling and folding are pretty close here & I'm not sure which way I lean vs a relative unknown.
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04-23-2018 , 08:02 PM
I'm feeling bleh.... does this Villian really play a jack this way? The PSB on the river smells like a miss or the nuts.... and its gross. I'm calling and making a note on how villain plays.
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04-23-2018 , 08:12 PM
River suit matters. He can still have two combos of AJs and two of KJs. Your read doesn’t really preclude him from having any Jx to be honest.

This is one of those whatever spots. Sometimes he’s gonna have it and sometimes he’s not. Just gotta make a live read and go with it.

I’d probably fold in this particular situation but that’s nothing more than an educated stab in the dark.
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04-23-2018 , 09:37 PM
No need to call here. From an exploitability standpoint youre fine because you have lots of boats and trips in your range.

If I was going to bluff catch here I would rather have a hand like QQ/TT without a heart that blocks more of the value hands he is repping.

I absolutely do see this line with Jx and better some times, but its also a bluff line with missed flush draws. Call down with your stronger value hands and bluff catchers with good blockers.
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04-23-2018 , 10:11 PM
we have a lot better hands to call here with. every broadway with a J, J9, every flopped set. thats a lot of combos. we block the NFD. meh, its probably close to break even if i had to guess. pull a coin out of your pocket and flip it on the table. everyone will get a kick out of it and they'll think you're there to gamble...

on an aside:
you could probably fold every river action when V was passive the whole hand and becomes aggressive and be massively +EV over your life (at 2/5 and below)
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04-23-2018 , 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
on an aside:
you could probably fold every river action when V was passive the whole hand and becomes aggressive and be massively +EV over your life (at 2/5 and below)
Ha, I was thinking I could probably buy a new car with all the money i have lost calling these spots. Even when I have a solid bluff catching hand and V is known to bluff, its almost always trips or better.
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04-23-2018 , 10:50 PM
I think this is closer to a fold than a call. You've shown strength all the way on a wet board and he's shoving into you. I think this is QJ, JT, KJ a lot.
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04-24-2018 , 12:44 AM
I think we shouldn't call with all our Aces. I'm folding at least my combos that have the A hearts. He can certainly have all the Js here and sure once in awhile he's doing this with like T9.
I'm folding in this specific hand.
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