2/5 loosish passive table but no big pots.

I’m sitting with $270, been running bad can’t buy in for full. Pretty tight image.

3 limps, BTN ($1700) goes $15, I call with 33 in SB, BB ($600) calls, 3 limpers (UTG$200, MP $1500, MP1 $200) call.

Flop ($75): Ks8s3c
I check, BB checks, UTG2 bets $30, MP1 calls, BTN calls, action on me

With 3 people interested in this dryish flop, it’s obvious someone might have a FD so I just stick it in rather than raise small, since it might look weaker. Everyone folds.

UTG2 claims I made him fold a King. BTN claims he would hit 2p with his KJ (they rabbit Jh OTT). Not sure what MP1 had.

It seems like the only way to win money in these games is if someone flopped 2p or better set vs set.

Did I misplay this?

Did you have a spade? That board is wet with a flush.. imo maybe theyd all have each others outs if they seem that interested. I dont mind GII there with your stack either. But Id most likely call and see what happens ott.

A better play is leading out. You checkraise shoved into 5 people. Your hand looks exactly like what it is (or a combo draw). Given your stack size, leading flop and shoving turn gets same result but is less scary

He doth protest too much.

H plays a RIO hand oop, wins a 160 pot with a short stack and complains. You played it fine as you're not deep enough to let them draw against you. NH. Now you have a 400 stack......life is good.

You paid 15 and won about 160. Nice result. Stop acting like a big baby everytime you make a big hand and don't double up, as if you're entitled to do just that.

Next time shove a flushdraw in this spot and watch them all fold again. Easy game.

Lead the flop $25 small enough that anyone with a piece will call. then bomb turn, the pot will be good enough then for you.

Lol at two players folding TP in this spot.

Hand history sounds like BS.

But if real, you should not be playing 2/5. You are not rolled for it, and it seems like runbad isn't your problem.

I like playing a shortstack these days. Less headache, easy decisions. Rake is too high at 1/2.

Exactly.

Exactly not.

Perfectly legit reason. Now, stop with the fish-think. Do you know what I mean by that?

Your all in is a pot sized raise. It's fine.

Loose passive table read. Why are we waiting for someone to bet for us? Why are we check raising that screams obvious strength?

If you are villain how many are calling this all in?

As villain with a K on this board and flush draw how many raising vs a short stack here?

So how do I play this?

I already replied and was rebuked.

lead 25. Re-raise all in if raised.

bomb turn if pot swells close your stack size.

Aren’t we giving FDs a great price though by donking just $25? A king will call $40 just as easily right? And an 8 will fold to any bet anyway.

Loose passive might not even fold an 8 to a 1/3 pot bet and less so with callers a head and with position. If you had middle set you can size up higher because a bottom pair would be less likely to call. You also want a K to consider raising to protect their hand vs a flush draw or a flush draw to jam thinking they have fold equity.

Secondly learn not to fear Flush draws so much. It’s like a 10% chance to flop are hard to flop and then a 18% to hit on turn. You building a pot where you have more equity than their draw. Also you block the 3 of spades cause it’s in your hands or it’ll make you quads.

You are also short stack. You aren’t giving as strong as implied odds for this to be disastrous. Use it to you advantage to swell it up in these situations.

True. So then I guess I could just flat and xr turn too in these spots?

So which is it? If you are running bad, moving up isn't a way to resolve the issue. At least they respect your raises.

If it is to shortstack, you're doing it wrong. You should be sitting with the table minimum (which I'm sure isn't 54 BB). You're not calling to set mine, you're raising or fold much of the time pf. At 54 BB, you should be getting up from the table and moving to the next one to buy in for the minimum. If you can't buy in for 30 BB or less, find another place to short stack.

Unless the rake calculation is non-linear, for you the rake doesn't matter.

I'd take Lapidator's advice.

I know it is a bit humilating to play a higher level of poker and drop down again. There's a bit of pride in saying, "I'm a 2/5 player, not a low stakes fish like those people playing 1/2 or 1/3." You need to get over that.

Again. With loose passive read it seems bad to want to check raise and wait for them to bet for you. You commented that only way to make money is when 2-pair or set over set. This sounds like this happens cause this table loves trapping with check raises and is only called with a big hand. If neither has then at most it’s bet two streets and checked back river. Check raise is nice tool vs aggressive opponents. Not the people you describe.

Leading turn will make you seem “weaker” in my opinion vs these villains.

I suspect “running bad” is also a result of passive play and villains catching up more recently.

Yea in theory I would guess we aren’t supposed to have a lot of leads here but against a bunch of randoms I don’t mind leading. Check jam is also fine. I would assume that the shorter we are the more attractive leading is since we don’t need to check raise to set up stacks.

If they are going to fold top pair to you in a spot where they almost never have better than top pair it’s probably profitable to start ripping it here if you flop middle pair or bottom pair and thus block sets.