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Originally Posted by ChrisV
He absolutely has a bluff range in this spot, OP described him as "maybe too loose and too aggro in some spots".
Your post is inconsistent. On the one hand you're saying BTN doesn't have a bluff range, yet as HJ you want to fold all your value hands except JT. HJ virtually cannot have JT unless it's JTdd, because he bet flop into 5 opponents. And JTdd he may have preflop raised. So why wouldn't button bluff? You can't retreat into "oh well technically maybe it's a fine spot to bluff, but lol trying to bluff people at LLSNL" because HJ is described as a good player (questionable given the awful reraise, but we all have random blowups from time to time).
Given the board textures and suits, it's really hard to have any bluffs here in the first place. You can try to name some reasonable bluffing candidates on this turn, but it's unlikely you'll be able to come up with more than even a few. There are literally very few hands on this flop that you can float with double backdoors with, which OP is implying he can have. I.e. gutshot OTF + backdoor clubs. Yeah he can have J7cc/J8cc, but that's about it. Even then, he might iso pre or just fold flop with 3 people left to act. His hand has literally no value other than runner runner. And if he's "too aggro" in some spots, he would probably raise flop at some frequency with his diamonds OTF.
I didn't say the BTN doesn't have a bluff range. I said his range is combo draws/2 pair/JT. As the HJ here, I would never have A9o in my turn barreling range, or any Ax for that matter. So my turn barreling range here OTT is basically J10 only, and I'm not folding that.
And you don't know that HJ "virtually cannot have JT unless it's JTdd." No one raised pre, 3 people checked it to him, the BTN usually doesn't have anything on this board texture. He is for sure stabbing with JT at some decent frequency, (esp JdTx or JxTd). He will basically never get x'red on this board, if BTN folds and someone else calls, he gets a guaranteed free turn and river. If I somehow overlimped with J10o, I'm probably auto-stabbing this flop in the HJ.
Your post is inconsistent. "We all have random blowups from time to time," but you're saying HJ basically never has JT here when he bets flop? That really doesn't make any sense.
I would expect a good reg to basically never bluff-raise this turn when he a has a terrible image, esp given the general population tendency to underfold and overcall, which is going to be more pronounced if you have a bad aggro image. I didn't even notice if OP put that as his image or not (being a good reg to his opponent's eyes), but if he did it makes it way less likely he's bluffing here with something ******ed like J7cc/J8cc & that A9o here is an instamuck.
And the problem is, the very rare times he is bluffing, he has a lot of equity. And the other times, he will always have the straight which HJ is drawing pretty dead to. You don't seem to disagree with my point that OP will basically never have worse value raises facing the flop and turn action, esp since you're saying he's a good player.
Last edited by Minatorr; 05-15-2017 at 05:38 AM.