Playing 2/5 with effective stacks of 500

Villain is a ABC player. He seems like he might be playing too many hands, but nothing really surprising or crazy. He perceives me as tight. He mentioned to someone else at the table that when I bet, I always have it.

Utg + 1 opens for 20, and I call from middle position with As, Ts. Everyone else folds. (47 in the pot)

Flop is Ac, Ah, 8h. He bets 35. I raise to 75. He calls. (197)

Turn is 6h. We both check.

River is 8d. He bets 120. Hero?

Comments on other streets also welcome.

Why are you raising flop if you're not going to bet turn? Just afraid of the FD? The Ah is already out, so that's most of his hands that could have opened UTG+1 and have a FD eliminated.

If you're raising to set up playing for stacks, 1) what do you think he calls a flop raise with that you beat? and 2) why didn't you continue your plan?

AP, call river. The flush is very unlikely, and he could be betting JJ-KK for value here, thinking that you're unlikely to have checked turn with an ace. He'll usually have a better ace, but with you both having a boat it's a likely chop. He's obviously never folding a chop or quads, or calling a raise with worse, so obvious call is obvious, imo.

Imo H is beaten otr and should fold.
Flop c/r narrowed UTG range exactly to Ax and FD, V shouldnt have worse kicker than T.
V even does not have good bluff, maybe could turn to bluff KhKx QhQx, unfortunately he is ABC player by read.

if he perceives you as tight, and told someone when you bet you always have it, this is a perfect 3bet pre, a lot better than calling pre.

as played river is a fold. I also don't like the flop raise.

What are you trying to do by raising the flop?

River is a call because the 8 counterfeited all of his better Ax and puts you ahead of any flushes.

We can debate the flop raise or the turn check but as played, how can anyone want to fold the river? Im hoping you guys didnt notice the second 8 on the river. Otherwise, folding river is the worst advice ever.

debate the flop raise? The flop raise is a hot mess

yes +1 with a double paired board. don't know how I missed that.

I can remember a few times I raised a flop like this as a bluff and got called by pocket pairs.

People dont believe you have trips when you raise the flop. Why? Because nobody raises the flop with trips. Villain could easily have KK-TT on this flop. He almost certainly has an ace here but we wouldnt know that until he bet the river.

So, yeah, I think we can debate raising the flop. If hero just calls, villain isnt putting another cent into the pot without an ace or unless he happens to have the flush draw that hits. Calling the flop bet makes no more money from KK-TT and loses money to a flush draw that hits.

Im not saying I would raise the flop every time (in fact I wouldve folded preflop to an UTG+1 raise with ATs), but I dont hate the flop raise.

shove the river
call the flop donk

Fold pre to a suspected tight player's UTG+1 opening range with AT.

Just call the flop. You're almost certainly dominated if he has Ax. You can't fold because premium pp probably cbet. If you raise the flop, know that it's a raise-fold. A tight ABC player isn't going for a bluff 3! and it's almost always for value with AK/AQ.

I think you wisely take out a round of betting on the turn. Villain probably dumps premium pp to a bet and calls or raises with premium Ax. Easy call on the river and chop your boats. I'm not a fan of shoving the river because villain should have zero 8x hands in his UTG+1 opening range other than 88.

Those saying that were beaten OTR, you do realize we have too pest boat and block top quads, right? Are you really ranging V to 88 only?

I was folding on an unpaired board, never on a paired board.

irtm we're only chopping a shove if he has an ace, we lose to 88, and we're never called by worse.

+1 lol

But you said call riv?

Our line looks a bit FOS to begin with but either way the riv is a shove - if he's an idiot, he's going to bet-call with 8x and other hands more times than he bet calls w quads.

You never call worse - his line is so bad that he might.

Thank you Garick and everyone for comments.

I guess part of my raise on the flop was to push out the heart draw or make it pay while it is still behind. I figure once he calls, there is a 90% chance that he has an ace or hearts, and an ace would have me outkicked 60% of the time. Once he called and the heart came, I thought I was behind most of his range and just wanted to showdown as cheaply as possible.

In the end, I called the river bet, and we chopped. He showed Ad, Qd.