I am playing 2-5$ live on a table where the average raise preflop is in a range between 6bb-12bb. If you raise less than 6bb you get called by all of the table.
My stack is around 1300$

I am SB and get AK.

UG+1 raises to 40$, ug+2 calls, cut off calls, I 3bet to 140$, big blind calls, ug+1 calls, ug+2 folds, cut off calls.

Flop K 7 4

I bet 275$, BB calls, ug+1 folds, cut off folds.

Turn is a 7.

I go all in.

BB calls with 7 6 offsuit.

River is a 6.

I have several questions here.
Was my 3bet amount good preflop?
Was my bet on the flop small?
Was it a wrong move on the turn going all in?

3bets too small more like 200. Flops too small, at least 2/3 pot. Turn jam is ok 7 is obviously bettrr for him tho. I think overall you played it ok i would just use bigger sizing in general

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The post by yjs1210 nailed it. $180-220 for the 3-bet. As played pre-flop, I'm betting about $400-450 on the flop.

3-bet is small as hell.

It's fine if you had something good, but prob still a little small.

As played flop c-bet size is fine. You bet what $275 in $460? I'd go bigger, how big depends on my opponents stack sizes. If they cover me. I'd go probably $350 and ship turns.

Even more than that! 4 way action for $140.

A larger flop bet is only good if we think that they will call a larger bet.
Otherwise we got exactly what we wanted, he called a large bet, without the right odds with a terrible hand.

We don't want him to fold 76o on this flop.

I did not realize there was another guy in the hand. Pot should be larger like $600.

@Iraisetoomuch, does not really matter. Just read the results, never read them.

A guy cold calling 67o is not folding any size.

Regardless, the sizing is not terrible. You can go bigger. I would almost never go smaller.

I want to get in as much money on the flop as possible and shove turns. I don't want people to fold draws, but nobody is folding draws on this board. It's going all-in with the pot size.

And if a guy cold calls 3-bets with 67o, I have a hard time believing he's folding when he hits a pair of almost any size.

If this game is truly as big and loose as it sounds, would you hate just 2x pot jamming? Not becasue a 5 outer binked at a smaller sizing, but becasue one of these Vs might call off k balls with draws and pairs at an obscene frequency and we're committed at any bet sizing anyway.
The consolation prize is a 600 blind scoop.

I suppose a shove is easier if 3bet sizing were better, but even AP It seems like there's room to do so for value.

If we thought that it would get called at some super high frequency, sure.
But we have no reads that say they will call second pair for 2x pot shoves.

But without solid reads as such, then no, I don't want to do that and risk him folding 65%+ of the time.

Assuming this a weak table, preflop 3-bet to 180, here you would have ~ 720 preflop (with 4 players). Flop bet to ~500 and shove on the turn. This would have made 76o guy's mistake look bigger because of his poorer implied odds continuing post flop. The point here is that your play was not bad IMO (except for the need for slightly bigger bet sizing). 76o guy's call preflop was terrible, on the flop was terrible, on the turn was correct.

I don't think there is a need to play tricky on loose weak tables since many people are not going to fold a draw/middle pair/top pair with weak kicker here. Your basic understanding of EV and odds should be sufficient to outplay these players in the long run.

Couldn't agree more with what you said. The first thing I said was 3bet 2 small.

3 bet too small

the turn really shouldn't hit a bb 3bet flatting range and then a flop calling range... kinda just got unlucky. I would jam so you allow yourself to jam with your flush draws also putting villian on a worse king most of the time. obviously 76o is just a terrible play preflop by your opponent

This should be one of those hands where the guy with 76 is telling you how he "folded the winner" on the flop....


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Moar pre. Sorry you lost.

Grunch. 3 bet was too small. I'd go like $200. Also keep in mind that if UTG+1 is a nit you are not exactly crushing the range that continues and you are really hoping he folds and one of the flatters calls.

Flop sizing is fine.

No, just cause some fish got lucky and binked the 7 doesn't mean it was a bad shove. There are many more combos of Kx he woulda snapped you with.

Don't post results. They will skew people's responses. Also please give at least a rough estimate of the pot size on each street so that we don't have to do that.

I think the 3 bet size is OK. It's just over a pot sized bet. It could have been a bit bigger though. Flop bet is fine but could have been about 70% of pot. Turn shove IMO was super aggro and I would probably have not done that without a good read that he definitely was flushing ( or had a high K comb exc AK)and he couldn't have come in with 44 or 77. He most likely wouldn't have called 140 with 47 or K7 or K4 though so your shove wasn't bad except from a nits perspective lol who is slightly paranoid about sets and trips.

I think the 3 bet size is OK. It's just over a pot sized bet. It could have been a bit bigger though. Flop bet is fine but could have been about 70% of pot. Turn shove IMO was super aggro and I would probably have not done that without a good read that he definitely was flushing ( or had a high K comb exc AK)and he couldn't have come in with 44 or 77. He most likely wouldn't have called 140 with 47 or K7 or K4 though so your shove wasn't bad except from a nits perspective lol who is slightly paranoid about sets and trips.

3-bet is not over a pot sized bet. $40 raise + 2 callers means (ignoring the blinds) $120 in the pot when it gets to us. We put $40 more in to make it $160, then $100 more on top, so it's a bit more than a 1/2 pot bet. Making it $200 to go would be a pot sized bet.

My general rule for 3-bets is 3x the initial raise + 1x for each caller. That would be $200 here. I then adjust based on whatever makes sense to me. If stacks are shallow I may go a bit smaller, if stacks are deep a bit bigger. If Vs are super sticky I may go bigger (expect to get called and would only 3-bet if ahead of their range). If in position I may go smaller, if out of position bigger. In position in a pot that is very likely to go head's up (i.e. I'm 3-betting from button, no callers of the initial raise yet and blinds aren't sticky), I may go 2.5x if stacks are shallow.

Especially when OOP at this type of table ... More PF! That's pretty much been established here. At a table like this once the BB makes the call the dominoes are going to fall into place ... and you are looking at a 30% Flop against the rest of the deck OOP.

Once you have gone more PF, then it's much easier to bomb this Flop for any extreme value while still picking up a decent sized pot if everyone folds. I think we can be much more reasonable on the Flop if we are HU and entice a 76 to make a Flop call. But while still OOP and multi-way I don't mind making a bluffy type pot+ bet and just ending it. IRTM will say we are missing value ... and I don't disagree but I also tend to agree that at a lot of tables as described a bet of 'any' size will be called if Vs connect. GL

My bad I have completely messed up the concept of pot sized bets. ( Wonder how much I've lost betting too little with premium hands?!) I actually thought it was just to bet the size of the pot lol! Time to hit the poker books. Well explained.

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Asides from sizing mistakes you played it fine op. Unlucky turn.