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[2/5] Turn huge; No Range Adv. as UTG [2/5] Turn huge; No Range Adv. as UTG

05-19-2019 , 07:22 PM
Hello all,

Not sure if there is a clear cut answer to this but would greatly appreciate any feedback on turn action.
Hero is viewed as a young early 20's asian grinder-- backpack, hoodie and all.

Sat down with 5 in an 800 max buy in game and shot it up to 12 in 1.5 hours. Has shown down 4 or 5 times, with one loss. One hand that went to showdown was that I isolated a rec player's UTG open to 20, another extreme rec player MP flat, and I 3 bet ATs from the SB to 75 and both call to a K high flop, I cbet with the NFD and jammed turn with a 1.2PSB and got there on the river with an ace. Rec player snapped off with KQo.

So I'm definitely seen as an aggressive player that gives action.

OTTH:
V1 on button: 500; old asian male.
V2 in BB: covers me: 1k+; old asian male.
Hero: ~1k.

Since the prior hand, two action players have sat down and now the standard open size has increased to 30. I have adjusted accordingly.

I am UTG with AT and open to 30. BU and BB flat.

3 ways to a flop of:

T84
Pot: 90

I cbet 45 and all call. (Should I be sizing up here because it's very draw heavy? I don't like betting more than 1/2 if it's multiway on a board that favors BU and BB).

Still 3 ways to a turn of:
T847
Pot: 225

I turn the NFD with TPTK. What is your action and how do you proceed?


My thoughts: I think the 7 is an awful card for me and while I do turn massive equity, if I bet here I feel like I can easily get reraised with 9x, pair+straight draws, pair+flush draws etc and get blown off my equity. 87, 56, J9 are all probable hands that the villains could potentially have as well as T7. My plan was to check-call any bet under 80%.

From an UTG open, when I double barrel twice on this board my range is extremely capped at one pair, namely overpairs. Although I will admit I would rather have ATs than JJ+ on this board as I am redrawing to the nuts, I am not sure what to do with two other villains. If I do continue, I feel like I would have to call off a jam from the button as SPR would be <1.

Thank you for any input!
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05-19-2019 , 07:38 PM
Seems like a pretty trivial check.

H1 pre is way too small, you’re almost never getting both folds

H2 bigger otf, HP too small
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05-19-2019 , 07:49 PM
If they are passive I'm betting, if they are aggro I'm checking. There is still a lotta hands to get value from
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05-19-2019 , 08:09 PM
There’s an argument for checking this flop 3-way. HU a clear cbet.

Presumably one of these Vs has two pair Ott. But Hero is uncapped still. You can have TT or 88 here.

You’re second to act. So a lot depends on what BB does. If he checks I would bet. If he bets i think you can raise and try to isolate him. You’re not winning unimproved 3-way here with a capable V behind you. You’re better off trying to get the hand HU in position.
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05-19-2019 , 09:05 PM
Check/call all day
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05-19-2019 , 11:49 PM
I checked. BU makes it 95 and BB repops it back to 225.

Action now?
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05-20-2019 , 01:00 AM
I'd check turn and fold now vs this action.
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05-20-2019 , 01:29 PM
I don't think I can fold for a pot-size bet. I mean, seriously, what can they have? They should not have sets unless it's 777, which they should have folded on the flop. What two pair are they playing? I guess they could have straights.

Personally, I would have fired the turn again and not sure I could/would have folded. Now we are kind of stuck.

How do they play? Passive, aggressive, bet draws, only bet the nuts? Could your check have induced spazz?
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05-20-2019 , 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Javanewt
I don't think I can fold for a pot-size bet. I mean, seriously, what can they have? They should not have sets unless it's 777, which they should have folded on the flop. What two pair are they playing? I guess they could have straights.

Personally, I would have fired the turn again and not sure I could/would have folded. Now we are kind of stuck.

How do they play? Passive, aggressive, bet draws, only bet the nuts? Could your check have induced spazz?
I just feel a 7 is a great card for the BU and BB flatting range. J9 and 56 get there, and I've noticed a lot of regs play 56 because of straight potential suited and non-suited. A gutter for 1/2 PSB on the flop is not out of question in this game. And the obvious 87s also, which is definitely in the scope of BB because can close action with middle pair with backdoors

I have no real reads on the opponents because BB had just sat down for the max and BU seemed very nitty.

Like I said before, I just don't know if I can call off a jam here if the BU or BB reraises me with any turned equity to put max pressure on one-pair hands, which is what my range should include excluding TT and the other sets.

If I flat the cold reraise my hand looks pretty face up as KK or AA and I am not loving any turn card other than paint.

Thoughts?
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05-20-2019 , 04:38 PM
*loving any river card other than paint or spades.

Sorry for the typo.
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05-20-2019 , 04:55 PM
If BU jams, does it re-open for BB? It seems as if BB made it the exact right amount that it does, so I guess just fold given your reads/ranges. Would be pretty gross if BU folds!

Also, they should not have 56 here unless, maybe, it's 5c6c. I still like a bet on the turn.
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05-24-2019 , 12:07 PM
Results:

I folded. BU tank folded. and BB showed J8o (no spade or clubs) for the nut straight blocker.
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05-24-2019 , 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by basederic
Results:

I folded. BU tank folded. and BB showed J8o (no spade or clubs) for the nut straight blocker.
That is sickening. Bet the turn next time!
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