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2/5 Turn decision TPGK 2/5 Turn decision TPGK

10-19-2014 , 04:31 AM
2/5 eff 500

UTG+2 (competent) opens 20, we call LP KQhh, BTN calls

Flop ($60) K35r
PFR bets 30, we call, BTN folds

Turn ($120) To
PFR checks, we bet 60
PRF raises to 160
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10-19-2014 , 05:18 AM
I would have checked back the turn.
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10-19-2014 , 08:30 AM
Not enough info on V. But, making some assumptions based on competent...

He dosent have much in his range that has us beat. AA KK AK 1010 if he struck gold after Cbetting flop, those low sets are unlikely as he's prob not raising early with small pockets often. K10 is unlikely as competent players tend to not open early with that.

I'm fine with flop call. You have most of his range crushed. I don't like the idea of a check behind, the flop is dry and turn only slightly making it drawie (sick word). So go ahead and bet. QQ JJ KJ are all calling plus most of his Kxs. Maybe even J10. So it dosent feel like a situation where only better will call. Also all bets have been pretty small, so the pot isn't too big to where pot control is a huge concern IMO. Even if it does open yourself to being bluffed off the hand... Which leads into...
Now for where more info would be helpful. Would he check raise bluff the turn if he feels you are weak or a thinking player able to fold one pair hands? Is this his raise to see where I'm at cuz I was expecting him to bet when I check?
Would he check raise any set?
Turned straight draw?

I'm doing this on phone app and can't see details, I think 500 eff stacks, 30 into 60 flop, 60 into 120 turn, raise to 160.

If you call his raise you have to be calling any river shove outside of paint falling.

But with out any info to his trickery, I don't see what he's check raising with that you beat. It's a small cr also. I think it's a fold here, leaving you with 390ish left? That turn raise is for your stack, and it's not looking good. Fold make a note, esp if he reveals what he had. Look for better spots with the majority of your stack intact.

Masta --
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10-19-2014 , 09:09 AM
Super easy fold. You played the hand perfectly up until that point (without reads...albeit reads are very important). Checking back turn would be real bad.
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10-19-2014 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerIsTooEasy
Super easy fold. You played the hand perfectly up until that point (without reads...albeit reads are very important). Checking back turn would be real bad.
What range do you put him on when he c-bets a K high board and then checks the turn?

To me it seems a lot like 77-QQ/AJ/AQ. I think we get a lot more action from this range if we check back the turn and then call or value bet the river. It's going to be tough to get 3 streets of value out of V's range here, and if we're ahead here V has very few outs. If he is slowplaying we lose roughly the same amount of money except we get to see a showdown.

I think turn is a check against a competent player.

As played I'm chucking this pretty quickly. I will take this line with my nutted range a lot when I know someone who called a flop bet on a K35r flop will bet the turn 100% of the time.
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10-19-2014 , 09:30 AM
I have no clue what "competent" means. That's really not much of a read especially since we all probably have different definitions of competent. I'm betting here vs the majority of live low stakes players and expecting to get called by worse a lot.
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10-19-2014 , 09:36 AM
Fair enough. I guess to me competent means a player who knows that JJ is no good here and gets that dejected look on their face before mucking it if we bet. Which in my opinion is not the majority of LLSNL players, so I too will be betting against the majority, but against someone who I've got a read on as a good player I will check it back here.
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10-19-2014 , 09:39 AM
I agree with that especially if I have a tight and/or good image at the time, I'll check back vs good grinders.
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10-19-2014 , 09:39 AM
The first mistake is calling with KQs pf an EP raise. Without a read, most LLSNL players have a narrow raising range in EP. That means AQ+, JJ+ at best. You're behind. In addition, if you hit TP on the flop, you're either dominated or the villain is going to fold after a cbet. I'd mostly fold without a read.

As played, you can just fold to the raise. He's got you beat.

As an aside, "competent" doesn't actually mean much in terms of a read for anyone looking at this thread. What is "competent" to one person could range from someone who can read a board to Phil Ivey calling durrrr "competent." Spend more time describing the villain and why you see him as competent and you'll get better answers.
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