2/5 at the local casino.

V is opening pretty wide pre, I'd guess somewhere around 35-40%, and is peeling 3bets wide and trying to bink. Post flop he calls pretty light otf but can dump a hand OTT if facing more aggression. Not expecting him to ever fold top pair though. He's level 2 in the sense that he thinks about what u might have but he's not an exceptional hand reader. Was caught once triple barreling a naked FD that missed. I 3bet him earlier with 99 and then he folded to a Cbet on a dry Jhi flop.

BTN likes to see a lot of flops for cheap and plays pretty straightforward post flop.

Hero: Mid 20s white guy. Severely card dead in a sick game. Most likely viewed as TAG, or maybe even slightly nitty.

V has 470, I cover.

V raises 20 from MP, BTN call, Hero 3bet to 80 with K9 in the SB, V calls, BTN folds, HU.

I think I can fold here some % but I think this is a good spot to exploit his wide opening range, and I didn't want to call OOP vs an aggressive player with a marginal hand. I'd rather 3b and take the initiative.

(180) AK4
Hero checks planning to call and eval turn, because I don't think I can get him to fold Ax and I think he'll bluff a fair amount if I check this flop. V bets 90, Hero calls.

(360) 8
Hero check, V goes all in for 300. Hero?

Preflop is marginal at best but I can see it once in a blue moon if your goal was to take it down preflop.

I hate your flop play. Now you have an instamuck on the turn. The reason some guys triple barrel flush draws or a missed AK is because sometimes it works and when it doesnt, someone will call them down later with middle pair. He would have to be bluffing over and over for me to call this all in.

How is checking the flop 'taking initiative'?

He folded to your cbet before, so cbet $100 here and re-assess if called.

OR

So now Hero completes his plan by check-raising all-in.


btw - if he is level 2, then what is your image to him?

Mr curious, I edited my post to add my image, because I forgot to put it in.

I check the flop, because I fold out everything I'm beating and getting called by everything that's beating me. I checked to induce.

I think a huge +1 for check/raising the flop. I actually thought of it after the hand was over and was kicking myself big time for not considering it.

I'm a fan of the K-blocker play out of the blinds, I do it often and it works a good percentage of the time ... but..

You must lead this flop!

7/10 times this guy is gonna have a pair - that he'll always fold on this kind of board. If you check this flop the hand is over. No way am I taking K9 to the felt on an A-hi board.

I think this hand is too strong to make the k-blocker raise against a very wide opponent. Would rather do it with k3s. I flat this. As played, fold. And c-bet flop.

Too much FPS just 3-bet for value mainly this guy isn't even a competent opp. and you are just spewing money to a whale he will prolly call most 3-bet's anyways just bad @ LLSNL.
Preflop fold or call like i said above^ Fold moreso

You even mention he peels 3-bets wide and you 3-bet him with trash.

If you can't x-call the turn don't call the flop esp given he 3-barrels with air.

Im x giving up if he bets here OTF not like we should even be 3-betting this.

Move back down OP..

the guy is calling wide and sticky on the flop. you 3 bet him for 4x with 1 caller with a very marginal hand. i don't understand the line. if hes opening wide i would much rather call and check raise the flop if i miss or station when i hit.

there isn't much to talk about in terms of the hand. you had the benefit of playing with him for an extended period of time and no one here is going to tell you to call because its illogical for us to tell you to hero here when we don't have the benefit of all the information you have.

Good reason not to 3 bet bluff oop

Good reason to cbet, shove.

So, while no one itt is advocating this play for reasons above, but when you execute it you simply have to take a line that harmonizes with such an adjustment. You found a board that obv jives w your perceived range, and likely flopped enough equity where you're actually ahead of his open-c range to the point that you could take a bet,bet line or ck-shove line for value.

wow this sucks

after checking twice i prob call thought, we look so weak yet it could easily be some spazz with Ax that thinks you have a fd or something, if his range is very wide he has a lot of heart combos he plays like this.

did he snap shove OTT?

Ax beats hero

Ok it's safe to say I butchered this hand. I still think my plan to 3b/barrel is profitable because I will be able to get many folds by the flop or turn on most run outs. On the flip side I think this play would be better in position and think that being OOP I can just dump this hand pre.

It was my mistake to not have a plan for when I flop SDV in a WA/WB spot. I keep seeing bet the flop, but I'm not sure what that accomplishes. I do think there's plenty of merit to c/raise because if we're going to turn our hand into a bluff, this will get the most folds.

LOL at moving back down. You couldn't possibly know based on 1 poorly played hand whether I should or should not be playing a certain stakes. I could post 50 hands I played well, but I'm not here to do that. I'm here to post the hands I think I played poorly, so that I can get better.

I'll post the results so we can kill this thread.


I'm still open to any comments/criticism in my thought process for any street, but wanted to get the results in there.

Hes not going to check the turn with TP when he has less than a pot sized bet left. Doing anything other than shoving the turn (on his part) is terrible.

V's mistakes are calling 3bets light and playing straightforwardly post.

To exploit those...

1. Don't 3bet light, or at least greatly reduce the frequency.

2. Increase your value 3bet range in position (to exploit his calling with weaker hands)

3. Increase your value overcall range in position (to exploit his straightforward postflop play).

Avoid light 3bets (that bloat the pot) OOP (that blunt your postflop advantage) with marginal hands (that mean you are less likely to know where you stand).

I think the only way shoving the turn w/ Ax can be profitable for him is if he's:
A. Against a station (I definitely wasn't viewed that way)
Or
B. Taking advantage of an aggressive image vs someone who can call down light. (He didn't seem competent enough to be thinking that deeply)

Without one of those 2, he shouldn't ever be getting called by worse which makes betting pretty bad. And I actually think he thought he couldn't get called by worse because he shook his head like he couldn't have the best hand before he rolled over the winner.

That being said its my fault for leveling myself into believing a fish couldn't be shoving "because I have top pair, all in".

I agree that my mistake in this hand was made by not folding pre. Thanks for the response.

V is capped at 44, and open-calls likely 20%+ per your description. You have a clear polarity advantage on this board and when your perceived 3bet range goes cbet, shove, you should in theory be able to have enough FE to where even a fishy guy will elect to fold near the top of his range ott at least some of the time.

When you bet, bet and he call, calls and you're behind (like when he stations AJ) you still at least have equity against his entire flop calling range (his 44/AK often shove flop with FD on board). Bet, bet will still get you plenty of turn folds, and a few calls from hands where you're ahead.

Granted, all of this is very ambitious against a player that you now need to make 'good' folds and 'bad' calls simultaneously when you widen your OOP 3b range to include K9dd, but you must to allow him to make calling mistakes, and not ever be in a position where you are the caller. Betting with initiative on a favorable board where you actually flopped equity is +EV. Checking allows even a weaker player to make a +EV decision, turn you into a potential caller, and negates the entire purpose of your 3b to begin with...

I´d like the 3!/squeeze IP vs an opponent that is going to fold a lot OTF. Against someone who is peel happy and not folding top pair I think it becomes a spew real fast. When we c bet air and get called we are going to have to barrel our air OTT a lot.

I think post flop is really interesting. Against a non maniac but someone who can double barrel a lot of hands I think neither peeling and folding to a turn bet nor calling down are going to be profitable. So, I´d prefer check folding to those options.

Not sure what I think about betting the flop. I think it fails as both a value bet and as a bluff. Is betting to take down the dead money/not get bluffed later in the hand really a good enough reason to bet?

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i wrote my post poorly, i understand that

i mean his line is kinda polarized, yet could be justified with the depolarized part of his range because of the fd on the board and the way we played our hand makes it look like a fd to a terrible villain..

thus he could be betting/spazzing with trash TP hands to ''protect'' against the fd a lot. bluffcatching against a depolarized range is a great way to get owned.

i saw results and i dont think it's a bad call if your reads are spot on, after checking twice he expands his value range a lot (as i said above) but he also expands his bluffing range a ton as well. (lots of suited hands in his range, single gutshot like QJ) would have to be there when the hand was played to give great advice about it tbh, its an interesting spot, hope you learned your lesson to not 3b calling station OOP with trash hands.