ME: Getting back into 2/5 after being bored at 1/2. Lost $150 tourney buy-in earlier in the night. Ran my stack 400 -> 750 -> 600 before this hand. I had been fairly active but the table was mostly a rock garden until ...

VILLAIN: Sat down at 11p and went thru a whiskey and a 500 BI quickly. He seems drunk. Our table watched him stumble to ATM for more money. Following the rebuy he doubled thru a good player who shoved JJ vs villain's A8dd and villain rivered an A to build up a 1k stack. This happened less than 1 orbit before this hand.

HERO (EP) open-raises to $20 w/ TT. My standard pre raise had been $20. Villain (MP) calls. Another big stack calls, blinds fold.

FLOP 686r.

I bet $50, Villain calls, other big stack folds.

Turn 3h, bringing two hearts.

I check and Villain leads for $200. It's the biggest bet I've seen from him. Previous bets were $75 or less, though obviously he called an all-in for $500.

Hero Felt like a fold-or-shove.

Thanks for your help

Only question is whether to shove or let him bluff the river. Never folding in a thousand years

You can check or cbet smaller.

As played turn check is fine but we prefer to do it with higher pps.

You started the hand with $600? So calling $200 puts in half your total stack? If you want to continue you should stuff.

I assume u checked to induce, now call. Check river.

I would bet the turn, u can still get value from 78 89 T8 J8 A8. Problem is if u check/call the turn he might check back river and u miss value.

As played I would call turn and check/call most non-8 Rivers. Unless u think he would bet 200 with an 8 and call off a shove... in which case shoving is obviously correct. I feel his sizing is likely more polarizing than that but u know better than anyone else you have been playing with him for a while



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Agree we can't really fold here. I might just gii now since I doubt he's folding a flush draw or a straight draw. He might fold an 8 though. Pretty sick if he has a 6, but folding against this type of player is usually wrong. It is scarier since this is his first "big" bet.

If all else fails, go with your gut at the table.

OP mentioned previous bets were $75, were they bluffs?

As played, $200 is over pot size bet, I would just go allin to charge the max for draws. If V missed, I don't think V would continue bluff on the river.

Thank you for the responses.

Nit

Haven't looked at results, but I probably check this flop and lead the turn. Doubt you are getting three streets of action even from a drunk V and ending up ahead all that often.

AP, you really are only losing to a 6 or maybe an OP bigger than yours (JJ seems like the only one). I hate calling and having some gross card come on the river, so I think I just shove now.

Just saw results: Fold is ok too I guess. But if you didn't want to play for stax, checking the flop makes a lot of sense. I am just glad you didn't call the $200 as I view that as the worst of three choices.

You say you haven't seen him bluff but he called off $500 With A8s soooo I'd say he's capable of all sorts of nonsense. What was the betting progression like in the JJ vs A8 hand?

Overbet on a board like this feels like it doesn't really want a call... he might be feeling strong after doubling up and jam with all sorts of draws, weaker 2pair, or straight-up air thinking you will fold big cards. You showed weakness so he said Boo! If he's drunk but flawlessly playing to his image with trips or a boat and putting you on a cautious overpair then good for him.

I'd just shove turn, plenty of rivers you don't like and his calling range could be "**** it" considering his image.

JJ raised pre to 20

Drunk A8 3bet to 55

JJ shoved

Drunk A8 called

So .... yeah.

Not stacking off here is criminal. I love your line too, checking like youre giving up on the turn- villain is biting perfectly with a big bet to try and force you out of the hand (in his mind you dont have anything when you check and "give up" on the turn).

Only thing thats missing is check-ripping the turn in his face while you try to control your boner because your line worked to perfection.

This. The bet flop and check turn line is great against aggros as the cbet doesn't project particular strength and thus the first time you let the aggro loose (the turn), the pot is bigger and thus he will make a bigger bet.

Because he bit so hard with a $200 bet, it is worth it to shove now to deny equity to overcards.

The fact that this villain bet over pot actually makes me discount 6x vs a smaller, more reasonable sized bet. It feels like he's protecting equity with 22-55,77,99,8x, or just straight up bluffing with over cards or a draw.... So yeah, stuff it in.

Just shove now. He's probably never folding. I want to avoid situations where we call and he checks back river with some marginal hand because he feels like the pot is big enough and he has show down value. Folding is not an option.

I'm definitely x/jamming this turn to get value off 8x hands, low pairs like 44 that turned themselves into a bluff, random overcards that floated the flop and also straight draws.

His $200 bet looks pretty full of sh*t. I don't think he'd choose this sizing with trips+ all that often, given he can still wait until the river to get money in.

I like the turn check. A lot of villians will think you have an AK type hand.

When you check this turn you are under-representing your hand and I think this has to be a shove.

Gold.

And I'd say the flop bet is best since we're 3 to the flop.