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07-15-2015 , 11:40 PM

In The Tank

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 194

This has happened to me 4x in the last 4 sessions and I'm looking for advice for this simple situation.

Buy-in is $500 in 2/5 game
H has right around 500. V covers.

After 0 or 1 limpers, H opens for 25 with TT.
"Competent V" 3bets to between 65 and 85.

When I say "competent V," I mean that they are "decent regs", understand position, play generally tight preflop, and will almost certainly c-bet the flop. Assume V has position half the time, and H has position half the time.
H is tight pre and takes advantage of position, but definitely not a LAG.

In what scenarios do you fold/call/raise with 475 remaining?

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07-16-2015 , 08:29 AM

QuadJ

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6,237

If your not getting 3 bet a lot in general, looks fine. Folding to the flop bets is annoying but if they have tight ranges preflop they won't be c-betting air enough to make calling worthwhile.

It's rather like those situations where you raise preflop with AK, get 5 callers and miss the flop entirely. There just isn't much you can do but check/fold. The days where this happens hand after hand are annoying but you can't let it tilt you into playing badly.

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07-16-2015 , 08:31 AM

pokerarb

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 6,185

Folding happily preflop in both especially oop

Raise is only good if they've got jamming light preflop in their arsenal. Never seen this once at 2/5 live.

Peeling is hard. You're going to have second pair really often and feel gross. Even with an overpair are you comfortable calling down 3 streets. Probably not.

So you're left with fold. Who cares if it's "weak". That only begins to matter if you're going to play with the same guys often.

Taking a flop to setmine and stab vrs a missed cbet is probably not a mistake. It gets iffy when you're going to call a flop or turn bet to fold later without super solid individual reads

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07-16-2015 , 08:38 AM

JamesFrancis

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 287

I'm probably playing it wrong, but I normally don't raise heftily with TT or 99.

I think it's a 71% chance of an overcard on the flop with TT. I play it more like a set-mining situation.

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07-16-2015 , 08:54 AM

WRH

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 160

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Originally Posted by JamesFrancis

I'm probably playing it wrong, but I normally don't raise heftily with TT or 99.

I think it's a 71% chance of an overcard on the flop with TT. I play it more like a set-mining situation.

I've been doing this often now (position dependant - I'll limp in EP but raise in LP). I've been saving some bets doing this since I don't usually feel good about playing 3 streets when I don't flop a set. I'm not sure this is optimal but when I do flop a set the V's don't expect me to have limped with TT.

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07-16-2015 , 10:49 AM

Playbig2000

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 11,347

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Originally Posted by In The Tank

When I say "competent V," I mean that they are "decent regs", understand position, play generally tight preflop, and will almost certainly c-bet the flop. A

if they play tight preflop and they 3bet us, I'm snap folding tens in a heart beat.

I would raise to a slag or a maniac and call to a lag.

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07-16-2015 , 10:56 AM

CohibaBehike

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,651

i fold these pretty quickly out of position and will peel it in position.

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07-18-2015 , 02:24 PM

Peter3041

adept

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,057

Think its pretty hard to make money with TT post flop against competent straight forward players. When you flop an OP maybe you get a bet out of AK AQ but not more than that. I am calling pretty selectively in possition and other times only when a set mine seems profitable.

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