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2/5,TT preflop decision 2/5,TT preflop decision

10-02-2016 , 04:37 AM
2-5 NL 9- handed.*
hero just moved to this new table. UTG($200) raises $20,UTG1 calls,hero($1100) in mp calls with TT.CO($600) raises to $75,UTG calls $75,UTG1 folds, hero?
UTG-$200.
Co($600)
Hero($1100)
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10-02-2016 , 09:17 AM
Read on the cutoff?
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10-02-2016 , 10:33 AM
Reads on UTG and Hero too, please.

Generally, I'm folding this. Stack sizes are awkward, and UTG is likely to GII on most flops. This makes set-mining against CO much more difficult, as if we call UTG's likely shove, CO can get out of the way. Also, we may be folding the best hand often if we whiff, overs come, and UTG shoves his whole range, but we can never call with overs out and CO yet to act.
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10-02-2016 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Reads on UTG and Hero too, please.

Generally, I'm folding this. Stack sizes are awkward, and UTG is likely to GII on most flops. This makes set-mining against CO much more difficult, as if we call UTG's likely shove, CO can get out of the way. Also, we may be folding the best hand often if we whiff, overs come, and UTG shoves his whole range, but we can never call with overs out and CO yet to act.
I don't have solid reads.utg seems a preflop aggressive player.CO doesn't look like a decent player.
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10-02-2016 , 01:24 PM
There isn't much to say here other then this is an easy fold.

UTG doesn't have enough money and CO has barely enough for a thin call. Without solid reads it isn't clear what UTG's or CO's range is. And as Garick pointed out, being between UTG and CO is very bad for you.

This would actually be a better situation if UTG has folded. CO's stack plus the dead money is just enough you could squeeze out a marginal call if you had a good read on CO and knew he had AK/big pair and would stack off with an over pair almost every time.
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10-02-2016 , 09:42 PM
I don't think the reads really matter.

It's a set mine question, and we're not getting good odds to make it worthy.

If we knew the 3bettor was some kinda maniac or something, then we can decide to come over the top on him or some ****.
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10-02-2016 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by maplestar
2-5 NL 9- handed.*
hero just moved to this new table. UTG($200) raises $20,UTG1 calls,hero($1100) in mp calls with TT.CO($600) raises to $75,UTG calls $75,UTG1 folds, hero?
UTG-$200.
Co($600)
Hero($1100)

Dude... reads? You can't say anything about CO?

Fine, I'll bite:

4! is almost certainly cancer, fold is doable but call and revaluate is best. But folding is by far easiest way to avoid hairy spots.
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10-02-2016 , 09:55 PM
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fold is doable but call and revaluate is best
why?
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10-02-2016 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
why?
chronologically:
0 reads, multi-handed, could be squeeze, we have TT, which can be played easily post-flop both for value and folding given most flop textures, and we stack him over 40% of the time if we hit set. Also dead money.


Bear in mind, at the table it's entirely possible I fold most of the time, but here theoretically; given specific circumstances, thinking calling with the 5th best hand in poker is correct.


Follow Up: I'd say being in the middle to act post-flop is at least extremely advantageous in something like 70%+ of post-flop scenarios. UTG to act first, if he shoves we look at board texture, if he checks, we check much of the time and now the spotlight is on LP, and we evaluate what he does related to texture AND THEN SEE WHAT UTG related to texture and what LP did.
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