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11-19-2014 , 06:15 PM

-PayOffWizard-

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Hero: (Covers) TAG reg

Villain: (650) Super nit reg. I've sometimes seen him limp/fold big hands like QJs, KQs, AQo etc to a single raise. Will always come in for a limp, unless he has AA or KK, and he has a tendency to limp/raise KK+ as well. Plays extremely abc post flop.

Preflop: V limps in MP1, Hero raises to 25 with J

from CU, SB calls.

Flop: (75) 3

Check, check, Hero bets 50, SB folds, V calls.

Turn: (175) 2

V checks, Hero bets 120, V calls.

River: (415) 3

V checks, Hero?

Ok, so V range is extremely face up here as either 99, TT, JJ. There's 415 in the pot, and V has 450 left. Does he fold if we shove? I am not sure, I know he is extremely nitty and only gets his stack in when he has the nuts.

Also, the purpose of the turn bet, was to get him to fold 44, 55, 66, 77 and all 8's. However, I think this was a mistake since he is so nitty and passive, I think he folds 44, 55, 66 & 77 on the flop, and I don't see him limp calling pre with any 8x in his hand. I also think it's a mistake if we're going to bet the turn and not follow it up with a river shove.

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11-19-2014 , 07:01 PM

Onlythenuzt

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Would of thought he would of folded turn if so nitty and had nada. Nits often like trapping.

I think either the 3 scares him in case you have one or have made a house too with a big pp.

Or he's made a house feels ultra strong and is trying to trap you or maybe just call you down if he feels your KKs or QQs JJs 10s are beating his lesser pair QQs or JJs or 10s, 99s

Or he has pocket 88s and from your description would be very capable of limping with them. Nits love trapping. I am a nit I know.

I would bet 150- 200 ish and hope he folds and thinks you are trapping him

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11-19-2014 , 07:14 PM

rizasutton

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After super nit reg calls flop i give up...the nits in the hanf for a reason.

Ive learned the hard way to jusy stop vs super nits that make it past the flop

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11-19-2014 , 07:51 PM

MK7749

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dude that river is the worst river card for you. what is he calling turn with that folds river?

also you got probably the best turn card for a barrel and he didn't give a damn and called anyways, the tightest super nit you know called 2 dry streets and you want to fire river?

i think thats bad, i think we have no FE and Vil is set on calling down here. if he were to fold he would fold turn.

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11-19-2014 , 08:01 PM

surviva316

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You can bet flop considerably smaller, especially if you plan on barreling.

Turn was a terrible card to barrel. Even the 7c would have been a check back.

OTR: The bottom of his range is an overpair-boat and the top of his range is quads ... doesn't sound like a good idea to shove into that.

EDIT: Eh, maybe we can shove river. Depends on the strength of your read on how nitty he is. It's tough for us to comment based on what you.

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11-19-2014 , 08:18 PM

MK7749

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^^^

turn os a great card to barrel cause he only continues here with pairs. its great cause we should be able to bet fold correctly or be able to check back river correctly IMO.

turn and river are so dry, what is he really folding that gets to river? if he had A hi he's folding turn, if he was afraid of anything we had he folds turn.

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11-19-2014 , 09:19 PM

AsianNit

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Some nits will fold to a shove and other nits will call because they play so few hands that they are reluctant to give up, especially after putting in almost a third of their stack.

If he puts you on AK, he's not folding.

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11-19-2014 , 09:25 PM

MK7749

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Originally Posted by AsianNit

what nit continues n turn but not river here?

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11-19-2014 , 09:36 PM

AsianNit

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Originally Posted by MK7749

what nit continues n turn but not river here?

One who thinks you will fire twice with AK/AQ unimproved before giving up but won't stop betting with AA. Against a player who will often double barrel but never triple barrel bluff, you're making a mistake if if your call on the river with 100% of your turn value-calling range.

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11-19-2014 , 09:40 PM

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All the nit regs i know..if i see them beyond the flop...its the near nuts...they never raise they just call down call down call down....and show the monster everytime

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11-19-2014 , 10:18 PM

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surviva316

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Originally Posted by MK7749

turn os a great card to barrel cause he only continues here with pairs.

His entire range on the turn is pairs+. Do you really think a "super nit" floated the flop OOP with A-high?

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11-19-2014 , 10:32 PM

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vlad fightmaster

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Standard vs super nit in this spot is double barrel. I don't bet river unless an A or K hits and even then I end up feeling like an idiot when he flips A3.

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11-19-2014 , 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by surviva316

His entire range on the turn is pairs+. Do you really think a "super nit" floated the flop OOP with A-high?

no thats why if we are playing this hand this way by trying to bluff at it the turn is a great card to rep an 8.

your really trying to bluff a nit on a dry board after he has called down 2 streets

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11-19-2014 , 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rizasutton

All the nit regs i know..if i see them beyond the flop...its the near nuts...they never raise they just call down call down call down....and show the monster everytime

exactly idk what some of these guys are saying.
really man triple barely when he never has ak type hand?

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11-19-2014 , 11:04 PM

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surviva316

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Originally Posted by MK7749

your really trying to bluff a nit on a dry board after he has called down 2 streets

Well, if he's capable of folding 99-JJ, then yeah. 88 is 3 combos and slightly discounted by two x/c's and A3s is only 1 combos if he has it at all.

I don't think me or anyone else in this sub is qualified to comment on whether this is the type of player who folds JJ here, though. That's up to OP's reads. I'd be inclined to think no if our read is solely based on the fact that he l/f's AQo preflop.

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11-19-2014 , 11:08 PM

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iraisetoomuch

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Nit is never folding here.
Check and give up.

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11-19-2014 , 11:10 PM

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This:

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Originally Posted by -PayOffWizard-

Ok, so V range is extremely face up here as either 99, TT, JJ. There's 415 in the pot, and V has 450 left. Does he fold if we shove? I am not sure,

Contradicts this:

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Originally Posted by -PayOffWizard-

I know he is extremely nitty and only gets his stack in when he has the nuts.

If you're very sure of his range and you're very sure that he never calls without the nuts then you should shove the river.

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11-19-2014 , 11:29 PM

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Against a nit, you should consider checking this flop. If he has a hand that is bluffable, he probably lets you know by checking again on the turn. If he has a hand that would have called, he probably lets you know by betting to avoid giving a card to your obvious pair draw.

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11-19-2014 , 11:33 PM

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vlad fightmaster

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Originally Posted by AsianNit

This is a poor habit to get into. Beat nits by taking advantage of their tendency to play fit or fold on the flop and their reluctance to play big pots without huge hands.

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11-20-2014 , 12:16 AM

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MK7749

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Originally Posted by AsianNit

i actually think if we were to play this hand a delayed cbet is ideal here on this flop.

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11-20-2014 , 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by vlad fightmaster

This is a poor habit to get into. Beat nits by taking advantage of their tendency to play fit or fold on the flop and their reluctance to play big pots without huge hands.

You beat nits by not calling as much when they bet and not betting as much when they trap. The bad nits are the ones who give too much action with obvious overpairs and can't get away from hands when they get outdrawn while trapping.

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11-20-2014 , 05:45 AM

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SunChips

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Hero is TAG reg and villain is Super Nit Reg.

A) What does your range look like to him?
B) You gotta have some history... What is your history like with him?

River decision could def go either way.

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11-20-2014 , 09:28 AM

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Onlythenuzt

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Originally Posted by rizasutton

All the nit regs i know..if i see them beyond the flop...its the near nuts...they never raise they just call down call down call down....and show the monster everytime

And probably without even betting for value because they are afraid even with the near nuts of being re raised and beaten unless they have the absolute nuts. I know i used to be a nit mainly because I hated losing money.

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