2/5 NL cash game

I had Ad, Qh with a stack of 1260. Button had a stack of 240.

MP limps, button raises to 15, I call in SB, BB calls, and MP calls. (60 in the pot)

Flop is Qs, Jc, Jd. I check, BB checks, HJ checks, button bets 20, and I call. (100)

Turn is 7h. I check, he bets 50, and I call. (200)

River is 7d. I check, and he bets 100. I lean over to look at the rest of his stack, and he organizes the rest of his chips to make them easily countable in case I want to go all in. Hero?

Well, the flop is rainbow and preflopraiser have fired into the field on the flop- and then proceeding to fire both turn/river after getting called. I cant see our hand being good here very often at all, so i fold the river. If i am familiar with villain or/and knows his tendencies very well i may even fold on the turn already.

What do you know about villain? I'm making my decision on the turn. Either fold then or I plan to call river.

Key things to consider are his range from the button and his bet sizing on every street. Preflop the $15 is not looking for folds, what does he play that way with a short stack? The flop $20 into a group is harder to read because it could be probing or it could be a big hand hoping to get somebody to call.

When he decided to bet a bigger percent of the pot on the turn is when you need to decide. That bet largely commits him to the pot if he isn't bluffing.

anytime a decent player bets into a field of 4 with a board paired with it being a high pair you are in trouble without trips and a big kicker oop.

and you would have felt really stupid if after you called his flop bet someone behind you popped it and the 20 was thrown into the toilet.

3 bet this pre......vs a button raise you are way ahead of his range, by playing passively you have ended up in a mess were we are still vs a pretty poorly defined range with what is now a mediocre hand.
Should have donked the flop with our hand....
We need to get some control over what is going on in this hand, I feel like at no point do we have a proper plan for how to proceed and are just clicking buttons when the action is on us.

I'd play each street differently...
I would have 3! this pre looking to win the pot right there against a limp and a late position open.
Lead flop.
Fold turn.
River becomes a math problem. You're getting​ 4:1 on your call and you need to decide if he is ever bluffing or value betting a worse Q with this size here. I would fold this river.


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Someone called the clock, I ran out of time, and they killed my hand. He mucked. I like the 3 bet pre line. That probably would have been best.

There is just no need to be in a position were the clock is being called on you, and your going to rub players up the wrong way taking long enough to get your self timed out over a 20bb decision....
People will give you the time to think things through over big pot decisions, I have sat at the table when players have taken ages over 100bb decisions, but if it's a 20bb decision we are gonna get pretty annoyed that your tanking for ages......

Feel like alot of your posts show you are a relativly new to live poker?

Yeah don't take so long on a $100 call decision that the clock's called on you.

A couple of intro comments: No reads are provided on V. Reads are critical. You should have something, even if it's only stereotypes. In this hand, with no hint of exaggeration, reads make the difference between folding pre and playing to get stacks in.

Other stack sizes matter somewhat for the preflop action (see below).

Position is huge. AQo looks like a nice hand, but you'll be in the worst relative (meaning you have to act immediately after the preflop aggressor and before the others) and absolute (meaning you have to act first every turn) position after the flop.

Furthermore, you're setting up a classic -- and very juicy looking -- squeeze spot should one of the other players be so inclined, and then you're going to have to fold to the squeeze.

I think calling pre here is right out. I'm fine with either 3b or fold. Against a tight (even from the button) raiser I snap fold here. Against a loose raiser, I'm making it $60 (intentionally on the large side because I'm really not interested in playing a pot OOP with a TP hand). If called by shorty, I'll shove most flops. If called by a bigger stack I'm unhappy and will just have to play poker. (That's one of the reasons I definitely consider folding pre.)

AP, the key decision in the hand is the flop. It's checked through to PFR OTB who leads out of 1/3 the pot. Even though it seems small, you're facing a commitment decision here. If you call, there will be at least 100 (more with other callers) in the pot and 200 behind. If you're beat, you're going to lose a good chunk or your stack (or all of it). If you're ahead, you're not likely to win that much more.

Furthermore, your bad position is now working its vile magic. You're facing a 20 call into an 80 pot, but the flop action is screaming weakness. If someone behind you x/r, you're screwed. It might just be a squeeze; it might be the nuts. Yecch.

With the right reads (i.e. that PFR is an agro spew monkey who will give you his stack with bluffs) you could consider calling, hoping for two folds behind you. OTOH, if V isn't betting without at least a Q, you have a much more difficult decision.

I think I actually like a x/r to 75 here. It turns our hand into a bluff, but we're not in any position to be extracting value, while the other V's are in a better position to do just that. They (and esp button) can also bluff us out on many turns and rivers. The x/r prevents us getting bluffed off the best hand, tends to mitigate our positional disadvantage, and prevents other hands from realizing their equity. Calling just kicks the can down the road, with a bigger pot and a bigger positional disadvantage.

It's a x/r/f obviously. If called, I'm basically done with the hand except for perhaps calling a small river bet.

Again, reads could definitely affect this.

As played, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. There's 300 in the pot and it costs you 100 to call. Is V betting a worse hand 25% of the time? Hard to say. He might be (esp if he thinks a Q or even an A might be good). But you're mostly going to lose if you call. OTOH, if you fold, you're occasionally going to have given up the best hand. I can't tell what his bluff/thin value betting frequencies are, so it's pretty much up to you to guess in the game.

But you could have avoided this whole mess by refusing to play a TP type hand passively out of position in a multi-way pot. Either fold or make a move to take control of the hand. In the wrong situation, AQo is garbage of the worst sort -- the kind that makes you bleed off chips because you might be good but can't really tell.

Dear lord. Please play faster.

3! pre. If I'm calling the turn, then I'm calling the river. The river 7 is a giant blank. It doesn't change anything.

The idea, "if I'm calling the turn, then I'm calling the river because nothing changed", needs to go away.

It is perfectly acceptable to call one street and fold the next when nothing on the board changes. Every time a villain bets, their range gets stronger. So we can easily be well ahead of a range when they bet once, but well behind their range when they bet twice.

^^^Calling flop, calling turn, and then folding the river on this run-out seems pretty bad. Hero only needs to be good 25% of the time to break even.

OP gave us zero reads. But if hero's plan was to station down a player who bluffs too much, or over-values hands, then stick with the plan and call the river.