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2/5 tptk overplayed hand? 2/5 tptk overplayed hand?

09-28-2013 , 03:35 PM
This hand happened recently at the borgata.
Hero has sat down for a couple of orbits, played few hands no showdown.
v1 has played few hands in this time but 3bet bluff a short stack from the SB with K3o and spiked a k to win.
v2 and v3 are in mp and loose but not very aggressive pre.

action:
v1(530)(utg) limps for 5
v2 (800)(mp1) limps
v3(1300) (mp2) limps
SB folds
hero(850) (bb) makes it 40 with AsKc
everyone calls

flop(162)
Ah Qs 4h
[we think V1s range is jj-88 AQ-A8s/AQ-AJo KQo KJs suited connectors down to 54s one gappers esp those with hearts. we think he would almost certainly raise utg /or 3bet with aa-qq/ak]
hero(bb) bets 100
v1(utg) calls
[ we think we can narrow his range to AT+ , TT+, KQ, heart draws plus floats hoping to bluff on later streets]

turn (362)
Ah Qs 4h | Jc

hero(bb) 150
v1 (utg) calls

should hero have bet here. (looking back not sure)
what if v1 raises? fold.

what do we do on following rivers.
hearts
non heart T
non heart K
rags
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09-28-2013 , 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by synapse
v1 has played few hands in this time but 3bet bluff a short stack from the SB with K3o and spiked a k to win....we think V1s [limp-calling] range is jj-88 AQ-A8s/AQ-AJo KQo KJs suited connectors down to 54s...
I'm really confused why we would think this. Limp-calling for 7.5% of effective stacks UTG with, say, ATs or KQo in what will prob be the worst relative position in a 4-way pot is just horrendous. Especially because we already know him to be aggressive (K3o hand), I don't think he's doing this ever.

In my view his range is extremely strong, basically just {JJ-TT,AK} and some slowplayed QQ+. I would be check/calling from the flop on, possibly folding to a river shove.
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09-28-2013 , 08:11 PM
the only reason I'm thinking v1 has a wider range is because he wants to keep v2 and v3 in the hand who have been seen limp calling healthy raises.
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09-28-2013 , 08:58 PM
Which makes sense if he is very strong, but with like KQo he's going to flop the best hand 4 ways maybe 10% of the time...
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09-29-2013 , 11:33 AM
On the river the pot is 662 with like 240 left in stacks.

With almost any river card:

Check/fold getting like 4:1 seems bad.

Check/call seems far from optimal.

You flopped TPTK against passive live villains. Only one sticks around after the flop. I don't mean to be unscientific here, and sorry for not providing ranges, etc., but I think you might be overthinking this quite a bit.

The best lines here are:

Bet 120 on flop, shove turn. I think is the best line.

Or bet flop, turn, and shove river.

Just bet, bet, bet. Probably not folding to a raise given just the one hand we saw villain play with the Kx pre-flop 3-bet raise. If one of the passive villains raises the flop, then you can fold.
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09-29-2013 , 11:43 AM
Pretty sure he's never floating in this spot (he was first to act after your bet with 2 others behind), but he can certainly have marginal combo draws and pair + FD. Bet flop a little bigger and jam the turn.
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