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Mid day 2/5 game in SoFl decent table.

Hero - 19 year old kid seen as a decent TAG by villains (been super card dead) but probably labeled as a target (Image is not the best ATM, and been talking about tourist stuff and the like because I'm visiting the state) 800ish covers all

V1 - button - just re chipped up to 400, loose passive
V2 - BB - Major calling station 325
V3 - UTG - tilted way to loose aggressive just full re bought 485
V4 - UTG +1 - standard passive old man 300

Standard raise has been 20 and going heads up 3 way on a rare occasion I should have gone about 30-35 preflop I'm aware now.

4 limps, I raise in CU to 25 with AJo, BU calls all 4 limps call.

6 way to flop - 150 in pot

Flop - J 5 4 rainbow

V3 bets 75
Hero raises to 225 standard right?

Now
Button ships
BB ships
UTG ships
UTG+1 ships

265 more for hero to call.


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Don't hate the raise but you could also flat here. As played I'm folding without much thought even with a 1,000 in the pot.

I would not say raising Vs donk lead into 6 players in standard. Vs lead is strong even if he is a LAG. I would probably just call V3 donk. As played you are getting like 6-1 which makes it tough to fold TPTK but I really don't think you are ever ahead here.

I believe there is 1700ish in the pot.

If one of these guys doesn't have a set I eat my shirt. Although you're almost all the way in on all of these side pots, and I kind of like your hand against V3 tilt monkey bigger stack, so... maybe call? I don't know. An aggro player on tilt is shoving Jx here, maybe worse, even with 2 shoves in front of him. I think I stack off here hoping to get back to even in the sidepot vs. V3.

V3 who lead was tilted beyond belief on about his 4th reload in the past 30 minutes and got hit and run like 2 of them so I am perfectly fine getting it in here with him.

You guys are finding a fold here? Even with the smallish side pot with V3?


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In your mind what was the purpose of you making it 225?

Above, isolate and GII with V3.

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Fold. You are behind and could be drawing very thin.

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I still think calling is better with the side pot that is formed in a spot like this..

Thoughts guys?

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Even given your description of villain, I probably just flat this flop and see who wants to come along. Board is dry enough that pricing draws out isn't a concern and no hands that beat you are folding here. I would rather somebody with a worse JX or a middle pair stick around for at least one bet here.

As played, the situation is hideous and I'm not sure I could make myself do it in play but folding looks right. You have 3 passive or calling station villains shipping this flop, plus the small chance V3 actually hit it hard. There simply are not enough draws to think they are all drawing. Even if your just facing an over pair your not getting the odds to call and with that much action your likely facing a set.

I was almost certain someone had a set but was also pretty sure I was ahead of v3. I'm still at table so unable to do correct math but I'm sure it has to be super close.

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My gut reaction is to fold,

but...

plugging in some ranges into Equilab gives the following:
(Assuming the following percentage hands of:
UTG: 15% range
UTG +1 7% range
Button 15% range
BB 12% range)

gives:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: Jd5h4s
Equity Win Tie
UTG 13.07% 11.68% 1.39% { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, Q9s+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo }
UTG+1 19.12% 18.09% 1.03% { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, AQo+ }
CO 39.57% 35.75% 3.81% { AJo }
BU 13.30% 11.86% 1.44% { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo }
BB 14.94% 13.28% 1.66% { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }

after a 100 million game monte carlo. Getting 40% equity with a 6 : 1 call seems like a no brainer. What did I miss?

Raise to $45 minimum if you must raise AJ against field.

No way TPTK is good here.

You missed 44, 55, 54s, 54o and included a range of hands that make no sense given the board.

For instance is K9s really shipping it here?

Good point, I didn't filter the hands for after the flop. Thanks!

All fine imho, now fold.

Call for sidepot as played. But flopraise is not standard

My gut reaction is to fold, no way TPTK is good in this situatuion vs 5 players.

I think it's very likely that were against sets, which we are super behind

really tough to range the passive old man. He is the key to the hand.

He is QQ+, or a set, I am pretty sure he folds AJ to your 3bet on the flop. Everyone else is like KJ+, 67, 36, some kind of wacky 2pr... it doesn't really matter.

Even if POM is KK, we have to call here, getting like a bazillion to one, against what are most likely weaker jacks and open ended straight draws.

With this price, I am always calling this after popping the flop to 225.

getting like 20:1? I don't think so.