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2/5 - TPGK multiway, turn sizing? 2/5 - TPGK multiway, turn sizing?

07-18-2021 , 09:24 AM
We're about $1k effective here. A bunch of loose players at this table who call wayyy too many hands preflop and OTF. Pretty typical dream table at LLSNL. lots of multiway big pot action.

EP limps
Hero in CO raise to $25 with AJ
Button call
BB call
EP call

Four ways to AK5 Pot ~ $100

Checks to me and I c-bet $30.
Everyone calls.

Turn 3 Pot ~$220

Checks to me?

Sorry if this is a little boring/standard. Getting drilled lately so need the sanity check. I think this is a pretty common spot at LLSNL. My hand feels too strong to check and give a free card to three opponents. Not really much to be scared of on this board besides 55 or some raggy two pair. I'm thinking we go for ~ $80 and then re-evaluate river (probably checking a lot of cards).

Thoughts? Thanks.
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07-18-2021 , 09:49 AM
I'm definitely betting bigger on this flop.
It's unlikely anyone has us beat and there are plenty of draws and other worse hands to get value from.

I think I like 60-70 here.

Definitely betting big on the turn again, around half pot, so 110 in this case.
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07-18-2021 , 09:55 AM
Flop AP, bigger. Lot of Ax and spade draws. Some will call with Broadway draws too

Turn AP, 3 is a descent brick. If someone called with 42, congrats. I’d go approx 75%+ of the pot.
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07-18-2021 , 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
I’d go approx 75%+ of the pot.
Why so much?
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07-18-2021 , 04:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeodan
Why so much?

Fat value with 3 others in the pot.
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07-19-2021 , 07:26 AM
I like your sizing OOF. It cleans equity and gets value as well as allowing you to remain uncapped. OTT it's close. Checking can be good since your opponent’s should mostly only have Ax and draws when calling flop. OTT, they should often fold a lot of the time with Ax and you do not want to get raised here of course. I also like a low bet again (like 70) . This will likely keep some weak Ax and draws allowing hands like A-rag and QT to play. A large bet is probably my least favourite here since you'll often value own yourself in many lineups, however, if you opponents are all quite loose, of course it could be a good play.

Honestly all of these actions can be the best depending on your opponents. Overall, I kind of like the small bet the best. It allows your opponent’s to make some loose calls but still allows you to control the action. If you do this, you can still occasionally have a hand like AK, KK, A5s, A3s, AA, 55 allowing you to be protected vs. raises.

When playing live, it's always nice to stay uncapped and control betting rounds.
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07-19-2021 , 08:18 AM
As played, I’d go about 40% OTT.

Flop – larger (~2/3 PSB) with both a nut and range advantage, as well as an inelastic texture (ace and FD).
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07-19-2021 , 12:13 PM
$80-100 seems good on turn. Much more than that and you’re just getting everything worse to fold, and given how many people stuck around, decent chance that somebody’s got you beat already. I don’t really consider draws as a huge factor here because you’re not profiting much from them anyway. Many of the flush draws also have straight draws or 5 outs to 2 pair or trips. So I just feel like I’m considering villains with draws a wash (and a nuisance).

As a general rule, my sizings are just lower in multi-way pots especially when I have one pair. I would’ve liked to thin the field on the flop, and then size up relative to the pot on the turn. But now that everybody stuck around, I’m gonna stay under half pot to prevent myself from getting overly invested with a single pair against this many villains. If they all call again, great - I got 3 to 1 more money in the pot on my investment. Sure, there’s a better chance that someone catches up when they all call, but I’m risking less and it will be easier to suss out a flush or other hand that beats me when this many people are in the pot.
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07-19-2021 , 04:13 PM
+1

Against these opponents I'd just disrespectfully bet 3 green and let them call off their draws and maybe some other paired garbage and then never put another penny in on a non A riv. They're just so fkd playing against you.... 15, 30, 75, I love it, really. Even if 'getting drilled lately', you're just methodically demolishing them w this line+sizing. It's a trap to think you need to bet 150 on the turn and then just chalk it up to run bad if you get beat - capture all of their calls and give them their lolpotoddslol lolol.
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07-19-2021 , 06:34 PM
Flop bet should be a lot bigger. 3/4 pot seems good vs the described villians likely ranges.

Turn is a clear check for me. We get to bluff catch with a really good bluff catcher and don't have to fold turn if we get raised. Betting is probably fine since we don't have to worry about being bluffed very often and can just fold when raised. But it's just not how I play this spot multiway. If villians realize we check back some strong hands it also helps us out long term when we don't have a hand strong enough to bluff catch but that still has sdv.
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07-19-2021 , 07:32 PM
Half to 3/4 pot seems fair.

If they are calling too much no need to bet so small.
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07-23-2021 , 05:31 PM
So... if it were heads up CO v BB this is a relatively standard flop c-bet everything, which 1/3 pot is great. But 4 way (especially with BUT behind) you're going to be betting a polarized range on the flop, which means size up a bit.

I'm open to being wrong but I don't see merit or reasons for a 1/3 pot flop c bet.
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