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2/5 Top set - What rivers do you fold? 2/5 Top set - What rivers do you fold?

05-11-2019 , 05:32 PM
6 handed

($690) Villain is unknown but probably a fish because he is limp calling - just got xfered to table and doesn't look too thrilled. He is over 50

($2000) Hero is dealt AA in BB

Villain BTN limps
SB calls
Hero $30

$90
AQ9

SB checks
Hero checks
Villain $20
SB calls
Hero $80
SB folds
Villain calls

$270
5

Hero goes $175
Villain calls


$620 going to the river - Villain has $405 left.

Seems to me Villain most likely has a draw. Q9 is possible, A9 is possible, JT is possible, Adx?? - I don't think he would call a gut shot but still an unknown. He could also have a hand like 99 and is not jamming turn. So with that in mind

What rivers are we jamming
What rivers are we check/calling
What rivers can we check/fold?
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05-11-2019 , 05:56 PM
Ckr seems like the nut low line off. Just shove blind AP.

Something is off w sizing here, maybe bc of the line you took. Should be much bigger or smaller.
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05-11-2019 , 06:00 PM
Bet flop. Small like $35 or something.
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05-11-2019 , 06:18 PM
I put gutshots like k10 and kj in his flop calling range because he is still getting decent odds to see turn since he is in for 20 already. When he calls turn he could have very well picked up a diamond draw on top of the gutterball.

Basically this coupled with his ace of diamond + diamond card makes flush draws a heavier part of his turn calling range (especially in position).

Jamming every paired board because he could have trips and not be willing to add more to the pot.

Check/evaluating K J 10 8 (straights and gutters that hit)
-he could be turning missed flush draws into bluffs on these cards.

Check/evaluating diamonds.
-he could be slow playing two pair or set that’s gonna call or shove any river.

Jamming every other card.
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05-11-2019 , 07:30 PM
Jamming every river. I mean increasing the pot size at every opportunity.
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05-11-2019 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Ckr seems like the nut low line off. Just shove blind AP.

Something is off w sizing here, maybe bc of the line you took. Should be much bigger or smaller.
Check raise flop?

It's hard for them to have anything in a limp calling range when I block top set but once he bets flop it's obvious he has a hand he likes.

I was gonna check flop and bet turn

Other than that I could just lead 1/3 pot which is also fine.

Flop and turn are both small but he doesn't have much behind.
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05-11-2019 , 08:41 PM
I solve the problem of how to play the river by jamming turn. We x/r the guy OTF, now he's leading into us OTT, it seems likely to me that he wants to play for stacks and I'm very happy to play for stacks when I have the nuts.
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05-11-2019 , 09:23 PM
Basically jam all rivers, WereBeer V only calls IP ott
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05-11-2019 , 09:29 PM
^^

Yeah misread, my bad.
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05-11-2019 , 10:08 PM
As played I would jam literally any river.
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05-12-2019 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
As played I would jam literally any river.

Probably a fair play, but I think it might be better to check some rivers to get him to bluff. I don't think he has a lot of value hands and I think his range is very draw heavy.
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05-12-2019 , 04:39 PM
Prefer to bet more on turn to charge for draws.

I’m check/calling non-paired rivers and diamonds, betting all non-diamond cards under 7, checking all pairs hoping to induce a bluff and jamming if he bets.
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05-12-2019 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Check raise flop?

It's hard for them to have anything in a limp calling range when I block top set but once he bets flop it's obvious he has a hand he likes.

I was gonna check flop and bet turn

Other than that I could just lead 1/3 pot which is also fine.

Flop and turn are both small but he doesn't have much behind.
I don’t support the premise for checking flop w top set from the BB on a board riddled with straight draws 3 ways and only the btn remaining to play. Then when you get some clown to bet 20 into 90 and a call, you only make it 80 with 140 out there? You should absolutely bet flop on AQ9.
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05-12-2019 , 05:12 PM
When we raise pre, CR flop and bet turn with this board, I would be pretty shocked to be bluffed on the river by a Swede on his 21st birthday wearing headphones and a hoodie from a training site. Bluffs from a 57 year old limp caller are not part of my consideration at all.

I don't like the CR flop either. It worked out well, but I think bluffs will be rare and you might as well bet into their value hands and draws. On the off chance someone does have like ax suited, you don't want to blast them away after they put $20 in.

Having CRed, the jig is up. No need to be coy. We are saying we have A9+. Blast it on the turn. I guess you could still be hoping for terrible call from a few sooted aces, but instead, let's focus on A9, Q9, JT and the occasional draw that got a diamond. I don't think it makes TOO much sense for him to have KTd or something, and there aren't many to begin with, though he certainly could. But by that token, a guy like this could have 99.

Also, as a GP, I think you need to charge draws really big when you are going to be paying them off pretty often.

Shoving all rivers is probably OK. The only cards I really hate are those that bring in JT. You could check eval those, I suppose. Really sucks when he checks back Q9 though.

If he hits a gutter or back door, non-pairing diamonds, nice hand, fist bump.
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