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07-24-2015 , 11:11 AM
2/5$, Saturday night, full ring
Hero: $925, white male, late 20s, playing tag, only hand I recall is when hero opens 25$ utg with AK♣️♣️, called by OMC, flop heads up comes KxX♣️X♣️ And hero doubles when OMC has KQ and K comes on turn.
V1: $1K+, mid 40s white guy, seems tag but a little nitty. Not scared money, but not splashy. Honestly for a guy who seems to be a weekend warrior rec player, he seems solid.
V2: $625, late 20s black male, known gambooooler in the room. Saw him call an utg raise from utg+1 with 67o earlier in the session. He is a fish, plain and simple.
V3: $1,800+, late 20s Indian, another big spot. He went on a mini heater where he won a handful of big pots as the aggressor when he flopped gin with garbage cards. Another fish...
Big Blind: $325, 50yo Russian, terrible reg who never adjusts, doesn't really think or reevaluate during hands...he makes a decision and goes with it. In his 3rd $300 BI. He gets a little steamy when losing and I love it.

All in all, this table is amazing...

The hand: V1 solid Rec player opens for $25. I'm thinking this is AQ+, JJ+ for his Utg range. V2 calls, hero calls with black TT. Indian V3 OTB calls, BB Russian calls.

The flop: T♦️5❤️6❤️ (125$)
BB Russian leads $50, solid Rec folds, V2 calls...
What sizing is best for hero?
Do we just raise to 300$ and be happy if we scoop 225$ when everyone folds?
Maybe raise to like 150 to 'scare' draws?
I cant imagine anyone advocating for a call in the spot.

Just as a side note, I don't mind taking a higher variance line here with a smaller raise that can get called by draws, but I also don't want to go 4 ways to the turn. This is what makes me post the hand. What is the best line?
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07-24-2015 , 11:40 AM
if the Russian is the kind of guy to just ship it if he gets raised, i'm making it $175 to go, this way if he ships, he's making a min raise over our raise and reopens the action. it could trap V2 if he calls the Russian's raise (without realizing it reopened the action) and could trap V3 if he calls our raise.

if it works exactly right, the action gets back to you with the Russian AI, V2 calling the AI (maybe shoving), and V3 having put in $175 OTF of dead money. then we can ship

if that is too fancy for you, my standard would be to make it $250-$300 to go
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07-24-2015 , 11:50 AM
Pretty drawy board. I'd just raise it up to about $250. Taking it down now is fine. Lots of turn cards are a little scary. I really hope one of them shoves. Fantastic table!

Edit: just saw idea of $175, and it sounds great as long as Russian will ship.
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07-24-2015 , 11:53 AM
After V2 calls, there's $225 in the pot. We're obviously raising for value here. A 3/4 pot raise would be to $250. A pot sized raise would be $325.

Either one should work because it sets up an easy turn shove if someone calls. Assuming you go heads-up to the turn, a raise to $250 will produce a $675 pot with $650 behind while a raise to $325 will produce a $825 pot with $575 behind.

If anyone comes over the top of our flop raise, it becomes a fist-pump shove. Only 34 or 78 have good equity against us, but in both cases we are a 58-42 favourite. We are crushing any other legitimate hands including straight & flush draws. If the straight or flush get there on the turn, we still have 22% equity to boat up or hit miracle quads on the river.

If everyone folds, we weren't going to make more money anyway.

Edit: If the straight flush gets there on the turn, hope to hit miracle quads anyway if your card room has a bad beat jackpot.

Edit: Corrected pot size math.

Last edited by LittlePud; 07-24-2015 at 12:20 PM.
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07-24-2015 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LittlePud
After V2 calls, there's $225 in the pot. We're obviously raising for value here. A 3/4 pot raise would be $175 (over the $50 to you) or $225 total. A pot sized value raise would be another $225, or $275 total.
Pot sized raise is to $325 total, me thinks.
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07-24-2015 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaNEWPr0fess0r
Pot sized raise is to $325 total, me thinks.
Correct, I can't add, LOL. Original post edited.

Last edited by LittlePud; 07-24-2015 at 12:16 PM.
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07-24-2015 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
if the Russian is the kind of guy to just ship it if he gets raised, i'm making it $175 to go, this way if he ships, he's making a min raise over our raise and reopens the action. it could trap V2 if he calls the Russian's raise (without realizing it reopened the action) and could trap V3 if he calls our raise.

if it works exactly right, the action gets back to you with the Russian AI, V2 calling the AI (maybe shoving), and V3 having put in $175 OTF of dead money. then we can ship

if that is too fancy for you, my standard would be to make it $250-$300 to go
This is a good post.
I would do most of this.

Recognizing spots where you can trap money into the pot, and then squeeze the person out is huge for our win rate.
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07-24-2015 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
This is a good post.
I would do most of this.

Recognizing spots where you can trap money into the pot, and then squeeze the person out is huge for our win rate.
I didn't think about min-raise sizing and re-opening the action. This is definitely fancy play, but could well be warranted in this spot -- totally depends on reads IMHO.
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07-24-2015 , 12:30 PM
After thinking about this a little more, we might be better off raising smaller and not blow everyone out of the hand. While it's more risky as there will be more villains to beat us, multiple people on flush draws means that they've eaten up each other's outs. We could be anywhere from a 50-75% equity favourite 5-ways (not sure my math is right here). It might make for a much more profitable (but higher variance) play.
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07-24-2015 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
This is a good post.
I would do most of this.

Recognizing spots where you can trap money into the pot, and then squeeze the person out is huge for our win rate.
I try and do this kind of stuff all the time pre when someone with like $65 dollars makes it $20 pre-flop and gets 2-3 calls. I min-raise or whatever, and then get screwed when they "lol-flat" instead of shipping.

*sigh*
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07-24-2015 , 02:33 PM
If I raised huge, and everyone folded, I wouldn't be happy to scoop, I'd feel like I didn't breakeven on my pre-flop set-mining call.
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07-24-2015 , 03:29 PM
Probably just making it 175. I am not really giving V2 credit for a hand that can call anyways and I am ranging V1 on a pretty strong draw as overpairs make no sense and we have all of the tens.
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07-24-2015 , 06:12 PM
Raise to 150. If heart comes and Indian calls check evaluate on turn. If turns a brick bet 350 then jam your last 400 on the river on any card that comes
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07-25-2015 , 01:36 AM
raise to $200. raising huge is equals less prlfit long term. we want draws to call while priced out...not raise so big to get them to fold
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07-25-2015 , 09:25 PM
BB should have $300 going to the flop. I make it $175 here, which gives me the option to 4-bet all-in if BB shoves. If V2 calls BB's shove, he'll then be priced in to call our shove with whatever draw he has that's a big equity dog to our set. Ideally both of them will have hearts and be sharing each other's outs. If BB were deep, then I'd make it $250-$275 in this spot and shove blank turns.
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