Hi all,

2/5 with optional $10 straddle (not on this hand). I iso fun/loose V1 UTG limp with 77 to $25, three callers including V1. V2 is capable pro. $850 eff. (Mods: I also posted this in M/HSNL but wanted ya'lls opinion too if that's ok.)

Flop ($100): 567r. I bet $40, V2/pro c/r $125, fun/V1 flats, I flat.

Turn ($475): 3. V2 pro x, fun V1 $275, hero calls, V2 folds.

River ($1,025): 2. V1 jams $450 eff.

I guess I'm wondering what I should do on this flop with spr of 8.5 and top set. Just shovel it in? (Note we don't have the nuts; in fact, we have the 4th nuts and lose to three different straights, and V1 has shown up with all sorts of hands pre.)

I called turn thinking even if overcharged to fill up, implied odds.

Thanks,
DT

It'd be nice to know how many handed you are, what position you are, and what position V2 is. This is all very important information that's left out.

Regardless, I would overlimp pre.

A lot of people will probably tell you to x the flop, but LLSNL, I'm looking to get money in as I expect to get called by a lot worse. I would go $80 otf. AP, I would call flop, too.

Turn is standard.

I can't imagine calling river. I don't think he's ever value betting a worse hand, and I don't even expect a naked 8 to bluff here either.

Sorry, V1/fun was utg, V2/pro was BB. We are four ways to the flop (pot $100). I believe the SB came along too and folded flop. I was in MP. Given how loose V2 is, I think 77 is easy iso, but that's just me. Could limp too.

I think it's fine. I would rather iso different hands, but 77 is definitely at the top of my overlimping range.

I think i prefer xrip turn to call as played. Don't like flop sizing.

Ok, I get flop could be bigger but why rip turn when V could have all 4x (and still 98)? What range do you assign him? Like do you give him weird AA/KK/QQ and 55,66,56?

Bet the flop larger. This is actually way more important than you seem to think.

Three bet the flop. Villain's range has one straight in it (heavily discount 34 and 48), a lot of semibluffs where he doesn't have the equity he thinks he has (like 87), sets, and two pairs. You also rep an overpair with the three bet.

Flop should be something like 80->240->shove if played correctly.

There's a lot of different ways we can range a fun player, and i just don't know enough about this one - but i doubt ripping is much worse than neutral ev.

I have seen some fun players do some pretty crazy stuff on these textures and they are more likely to get it in bad before the river. Or even fold a 4 face up and say i know you have a bigger straight.

If we call its not clear we can safely fold even threatening rivers regardless.

Pretty much this.

V1 looks like he has 4-5 or A/K-4 given all the info provided. That said, hard to fold on the river given the price. Seems like enough 55, 66, 56 and oddly-played overpairs are in his range too to justify a call. Can't get to river this way with an underepped hand to fold at that price

Huge MW pots tend to be a place where you need to kind of ignore some solver advice.

Like solvers will say you should bet small when betting multi-way. But that solved solution assumes some sort of preflop equilibrium of your opponents (I think you can run sims without that assumption but still). Fact is, people have K4s and T8o and all kinds of dumb crap that they’ll call a big fat bet with.


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I think betting small on the flop is the only mistake.

Larger sizing flop. I’m ok with flatting to keep in V1 and we can jam a lot of turns. 3 bet flop is fine as well.

River comes down to if we think fun player is just call happy pre or he has bluffs post. Hard to fold though.

Well by not doing so on the flop you decided to not get V2's value hand in drawing near dead, and minimized the value you can get vrs V1.