Hero just sat down with $600 (cap) and posted $5 in LJ. Gets dealt K7cc. Goes 7-way to the flop, with 3 players ahead and 3 behind.

Flop ($35): Kd Jh 7d
3 checks, Hero bets $30, HJ (covers) raises to $90, folds back to Hero.

What’s the best way to proceed here? Merits of shoving $600 vs 3betting to $250 vs just flatting?

No reads on V. She’s a MAWL with dark glasses and a hat.

I probably just fold. It's a limped pot, KJ is possible. KK/JJ/77 are unlikely considering your blockers and it's a limped pot. Diamond draws and QT are a huge possibility right now. The only made hand you are ahead of that might do this is KQ. It's going to be very hard to continue to pressure on later streets.

There are tons of bad turns and rivers where you will just end up getting leveled, or could already be behind to 2 outs (another 7).

From V’s perspective, H is wide as LJ blind poster in a limped pot. So H is capped pre and I think this induces her raise with solid FDs, combos and QT. V would have raised with JJ and KK pre. Maybe she’s set mining with 77. But the combinatorics suggest we’re ahead.

Out of position, I’d prefer to re raise here rather than have to fade all kinds of scare card turns. The problem with 250 is that V will get get good odds on turn and river given the pot size and effective stacks. It’s a tricky spot but I guess I’d rather jam now than raise 250 and offer her 5-2 if we jam Turn. We could flat rather than bloat pot with the plan of barreling undercard non-hearts. For me this would be read-dependent and unfortunately H just sat down.

Don’t go broke in a limped pot without the nuts.

If you are set on lighting these chips on fire to a women player(almost always ultra nitty) then make a small raise to 200 and shove any non diamond.

MAWL can probably beat K7 here. The worst hand she should have is the nut flush draw. Proceed with caution.

(I am a MAWL, although I don't wear a hat and dark glasses.)

I'm inclined to call and maybe lead safe turns (no diamond, A or 9)?

Hmm, this sounds a bit unorthodox, which could very well mean it can't be very good.

edit: Actually, I don't know if I would consider an off-suit A or 9 a scarecard per se. I don't really believe in people raising with QT here. Maybe QdTx, but even then I think they mostly just call. I would expect mostly nutflush draws and other big combodraws here, so there might be more scarecards than just diamonds, because of gutshot possibilities. I might just get it in on the flop, but I definitely don't hate calling.

Wait until BB to post. If you can't wait, go home.

AP you call and ideally you improve/she checks turn. That happens often enough to bet-call flop. Her strategy could include raising anything from overlimped JJ to 32hh to KT because she doesn't know what else to do, you just don't know.

"Wait until BB to post. If you can't wait, go home" - Amanaplan

Interesting. If I sit down from CO to LJ I will post. I worry about standing out waiting for the BB. Am I overthinking it?

You're probably overthinking. So is Amana. I definitely am when I think about the exact position I could start profitably posting from.

It doesn't matter. Nobody knows what the optimal posting strategy is and it will be different from game to game and player to player. It's obvious to me that a good player should post CO (assuming no dead SB, but maybe even with a dead SB), and should not post UTG. Don't forget that while posting might be -EV for the hand you post, waiting to post has an opportunity cost of all the hands you'd get for free. Regardless, we're talking about an amount of EV that doesn't matter for an infrequent event.

Just do what you want.

I actually started the hand with $300 and shoved the flop. She snapped with Q8dd lol wtf.

Wow. I guess she was there to gamble! That, or you look like a crazy, gii first hand, I'm here to gamble type of player

Did you hold?

Turn K, River K for quad kings

I wonder how this would play out if I sat down with a full stack of $600. Maybe I just flat flop and don’t win any more money from her. Sometimes, I prefer buying in short for this exact reason.

Oh, just saw that you had only $300.

Depends on if you raised her flop bet. I doubt I would have, though.

Her gambling for $300 with a diamond draw is really no big deal, especially if she covers. I might have done the same unless you look like an OMC.

I have no problem with buying in short, but I think you got kind of lucky here And being short is more of a reason not to post.

Well, are you really overlimping and then raising flop with Q8dd? Seems terrible.

Meh. Good point. Not over-limping, so I wouldn't be here.

Posting short seems worse I do think you got incredibly lucky against the "right" player.

I generally post only if I’m in the last 3 spots.

I hope all of our tables contain MAWL (or any villains) who play that way!

A friend in Vegas shoved for $1,700 in a 2/5 game only to be called by a gutshot -- that hit. Poker is a live and well.